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Yet to hear good reason for NJD to break historical norms and trade 2nd pick

Créé par: NHLfan10506
Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 13 juin 2022
Publié: 13 juin 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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A lot of teams have sent a myriad of offers for the 2nd overall pick. These are the most common arguments for us to move a pick that history tells us won't be moved.

It will take a truly special player to get that pick. It's just hard to envision any scenario where that happens.


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“The Devils want to trade their pick”

(Our GM was asked one question before the lottery about trading his 1st rounder, to which he answer, "I am open to anything that helps our team". One out-of-town reporter covering for NHL.com, took it and ran a story saying Devils are looking to trade that pick. Nothing different has been said since. The likelihood that the pick is traded is quite low).

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“We only want the 2nd overall pick”

(Scram! If you want a #2, you gotta earn it the old-fashion way and tank).

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“These types of trades are uncommon because wingers as good as ours never get traded”

(In the cap era, a top-5 pick has never been traded for a player. Top wingers are traded every year).

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“It starts at Holtz plus 2nd overall”

(Give me a break. When was the last time a top-5 pick AND a top-10 prospect were dealt in the same deal? If anyone answers this correctly, kudos to you).

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“We get #2 pick since we plan on starting a bidding war for our guy”

(Yeah, right. If it is actually being made available, there will be more bids for the #2 pick than for your guy…so that may not work).

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“If you add up the values of these fives pieces…”

(Haha, I was born at night, but not last night).

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“The 2nd overall pick often busts so it doesn’t have much value”.

(Right, tell that to Malkin, Doughty, Hedman, Seguin, Landeskog, Barkov, Eichel, Laine, Svechnikov)

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“But Nolan Patrick…”

(Historically, one is more likely to draft a Hall-of-Famer than a Nolan Patrick)

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“1st round picks are traded all the time…here some examp…”

(Comparing a 20-something pick to a #2 overall pick is illogical...I'm not explaining why).
(Please ACGM, please, put a draft pick value chart up on this site).

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“a 1st round pick has only X per cent chance of becoming a star according to...”

(Go ahead and believe some kid in his parents basement who build a 'model' that has never been peer-reviewed over years and years of available data that tell you otherwise)

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“You are getting a guaranteed 40-goal scorer or point-per-game player"

(Only guarantees are death and taxes)

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“It’s a bad draft year…so that pick doesn’t have much value”

(There are very few bad draft years when looking at the 2-best players from each…zero reason to think this year is like 2012)

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"We are feeling pain giving up this much for your pick"

[eyeroll]

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"We are paying this sum to move up X amount of spots, we'd ask for same amount if we were moving down X amount of spots"

(Ask any GM in hockey and none will say the cost to move up X spots or down X spots will be the same. For instance, the cost to jump from #16 to #6 will be greater than the cost to jump from #26 to #16. How is this not common knowledge at this point?).

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"Its a good veteran for your young guys"

(we're all set)
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If we dealt #2 pick...something like this seems most plausible. A straight trade back to #3 or #4. Both Arizona and Seattle have four 2nd round picks to use.
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14 juin 2022 à 4 h 48
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I like the Arizona trade. If they’re making it very clear they want Cooley then they are probably willing to secure that. Whether it’s any of their later picks the devils should entertain a swap. I can see it being their last second round pick. The two 2nds can be great to package or grab two prospects that can bolster their prospect pool one last time.

With the goaltending talks I really think Knight is the guy to make calls about even if it has to wait a year. His situation is fascinating as it all hangs in the balance of Bobrovsky’s NMC. I’d imagine the devils will WAY rather go after him than a netminder that’s nearing their thirties
14 juin 2022 à 11 h 12
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Quoting: Dev17
I like the Arizona trade. If they’re making it very clear they want Cooley then they are probably willing to secure that. Whether it’s any of their later picks the devils should entertain a swap. I can see it being their last second round pick. The two 2nds can be great to package or grab two prospects that can bolster their prospect pool one last time.

With the goaltending talks I really think Knight is the guy to make calls about even if it has to wait a year. His situation is fascinating as it all hangs in the balance of Bobrovsky’s NMC. I’d imagine the devils will WAY rather go after him than a netminder that’s nearing their thirties


I would love Knight too, but I think we would be a year too early. Next summer, Knight hits his RFA year and Florida has Huberdeau and Weegar contracts due.
Dev17 a aimé ceci.
 
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