If Horvat wants $7,000,000 a year.....you got to move him......He is not worth more than $6,000,000.

30 goals per season as a captain while being responsible defensively says otherwise. A lot worse players getting payed a lot more. Given that you’ve shown limited knowledge about the Vancouver Canucks, how about we just end this right here

He is a great 2way player........I just do not think he has proven to be a consistent hight point scorer........He also does not get enough assists and help his wingers like Miller to put of big stats.

Petterson and Hughes are the elite players.......and Canucks need to make sure they do not over pay Horvat.

Once again, you’re showing that you don’t understand Canucks players. That’s understandable as you’re not a Canucks fan. Horvat can put up a good amount of assists. He’s done it in the past. One big reason he doesn’t get the most points is because for years, he’s had some pretty bad line mates. He was stuck with Loui Eriksson for several years. As to your point about Miller, they don’t even play on the same line. They both play center. When Miller plays wing,, he plays with Pettersson, not Horvat.

Once again, you’re showing that you don’t understand Canucks players. That’s understandable as you’re not a Canucks fan. Horvat can put up a good amount of assists. He’s done it in the past. One big reason he doesn’t get the most points is because for years, he’s had some pretty bad line mates. He was stuck with Loui Eriksson for several years. As to your point about Miller, they don’t even play on the same line. They both play center. When Miller plays wing,, he plays with Pettersson, not Horvat.

It was also reported in the Media over the last few days......That Rutherford thinks the Canucks players are a countryclub.

Question#1 Horvat has been the captain for this countryclub team and under his watch ........have only made the playoffs once while he is the captain.

I know that they do not play on the same line.

My point is as follows:

1. Horvat does not help his left wing or right wing linemates put up high point totals.

2. Miller does help hs left wing and right wing linemates put hight point totals.

3. Horvat is a great 2 way player, faceoff man and shutdown centre but he is not going to put points.

There are 4 untouchables at this point and they are Pettersson, Hughes, Horvat and Demko. Likely everyone else goes. Can’t imagine you could blame all of this ok Horvat.

As to your final point, once again, you can’t seriously blame on player for not making the playoffs. The Canucks haven’t made the playoffs because the Canucks have had a bad roster for years. That’s managements fault. That’s Jim Benning’s fault. That is not the fault of one player. Horvat is one of the most passionate players on the team and by blaming the Canucks lack of success on one player is ignorant

1. Let’s see how well other players help guys like Eriksson, Roussel, Pearson put up big points. It’s not easy to have a high scoring line when you are playing with players who are simply not point producers. He’s also rarely had consistent line mates. His wingers get shifted all the time.

2. Miller helps his wingers put up points because he’s a fantastic player playing with other fantastic players. Put Pettersson on Horvat line for 82 games and I’m sure both will have a lot of points. Miller is the better player over Horvat. That’s no secret.

3. I’m not sure how many points you want him to put up. Yeah sure maybe he won’t be a PPG player but you can always count on him to put up 25-35 goals and 50-60 points. With consistent line mates, he can easily put up more. He’s also a beast when it matters and scores big goals. He scored 10 goals in 17 games in one playoff run.

What I am trying to say.....is Horvat does not really help set up his linemates and as a result puts up poor assist totals.

You keep saying Horvat is untouchable.......He is not untouchable........and Canucks will trade him if they do not reach a fair long-term contract with him.

I am not blaming Horvat for the Canucks misfortunes.......I am just saying he is not worth $7,000,000 a year.........Horvat needs to sign for like $6,000,000 to $6,500,000 per year for like 7 years and everyone is happy.

Give him good and consistent line mates and you will see results. I don’t see what’s so hard to understand. Playing with Loui Eriksson for half his career has had an impact on his point totals

I thought Eriksson was a 30 goal scorer in Boston before he came to Vancouver and Pearson was a 30 goal scorer in LA .......so I do not totally buy that Horvats wingers are weak.

The real problem is that the Canucks have over-used Horvat in a shutdown centre role which is nuts.......Horvat was a tremendous offensive player for the London Knights.

The Canucks need to use their 3rd line to be their shutdown line and free up Horvat on the second line to play a more offensive game......I blame Travis Green for Horvat's lack of offense.

You’re right. If Horvat asks for something completely unreasonable then he will be graded. But between Miller and Horvat, Horvat is likely the one to take the home town discount to stay in Vancouver. Horvat new contract is like only a 1.5 million dollar raise so it’s not like it’s going to break the bank. Do I hope he signs for less than 7 mil? Obviously, but I would much rather the Canucks sign Horvat 7 mil than Miller for 9-10 mil

When Jim Benning is in charge, you can’t expect him to build a fully functioning team. He’s left a mess for Vancouver which needs to be fixed. I agree that Horvat needs to be deployed more offensively. I think the Canucks want to roll 3 offensive lines which means the defensive workload will go onto the fourth line. As for your earlier point, players do fall off. Loui Eriksson joined, played with the Sedins and was a total bust. It was a bad signing by Benning which proved to later be an anchor for Vancouver. Pearson is still a solid player, but ideally not playing with a guy like Horvat. I hope that next year he can consistently play on a line with guys like Garland and Podkolzin

Niemela and Knies are off the table.

Benning made a lot of mistakes......but his absolute biggest mistakes was hiring two rookie NHL coaches in Willy and Travis and then not moving on from them fast enough.

I think his next worst mistake was surrendering draft picks in his trades.......because drafting was his strong attribute.

Then Miller is off the table

Benning made a lot of mistakes......but his absolute biggest mistakes was hiring two rookie NHL coaches in Willy and Travis and then not moving on from them fast enough.

I think his next worst mistake was surrendering draft picks in his trades.......because drafting was his strong attribute.

Travis Green micromanaged the Canucks into the ground.......Boudreau realized this immediately and worked to restore his player confidence levels.

I’d say his biggest flaw was still is UFA signings
Loui Eriksson 6x6
Jay Beagle 3x4
Antoine Roussel 3x4
Michael Ferland 3.5x4

Terrible signings.

In fairness to Benning........He was trying to surround the young Canucks players with some solid veteran players to mentor them which is a good idea.

He totally struck out on Eriksson with a massive over payment in terms of dollars and term.......but that was the market value of Erikson at the time.......just a bad fit for the Canucks.

Beagle and Roussel were solid veteran players but over-paid by $1,000,000 each per year.......but that was dollar value to get them to accept Vancouver......Just an over payment for 3rd and 4th line players.

Ferland made no sense and Poolman looks a bit high......but would not write him off yet.

I think the other bigger problem .......was the Canucks owner himself.......who would not let Benning do a proper rebuild as was just focussed on making the playoffs and selling tickets......Linden disagreed and then resigned.......Benning went along with the owner.


Tucker Poolman 2.5x4
I could go on but this proves my point. Jim Benning’s biggest mistake was accepting the job

Travis Green wasn’t a terrible terrible coach. He just became a terrible fit for the Canucks. Boudreau is great and all the players love him. Still a Benning mistake but not his biggest one

Travis Green wasn’t a terrible terrible coach. He just became a terrible fit for the Canucks. Boudreau is great and all the players love him. Still a Benning mistake but not his biggest one