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Créé par: datmonkey91
Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 2 janv. 2022
Publié: 2 janv. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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2 janv. 2022 à 23 h 36
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Quoting: Xqb15a
He’s better according to who? You’re just pulling stuff out of your ass. If Bouchard is that good and produces the next 2 seasons at Girard levels he’s a $7M dman minimum. But regardless the Avs aren’t trading Girard, also what’s your obsession with PP1 time, do you think Girard is playing on PP1 for the Avs or did you miss that they have a guy named Makar on PP1 and guys like Toews and Byram on PP2 to. Get real.


Oilers PP1 means extra points since the efficiency runs around 35% .Barrie was the highest scoring dman last year because of this (getting assists off of mcdavid and drai)
3 janv. 2022 à 0 h 47
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In a few years when Bouchard is just as good if not better than Girard we will see you eat your words.

Oh yeah the we will see in a few years great retort. So if he is better than Girard in a few years he makes significantly more and I win. The Avs aren’t trading for a player who just admitted wasn’t as good as Girard so I win again. Thanks for affirming.
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3 janv. 2022 à 0 h 49
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Oilers PP1 means extra points since the efficiency runs around 35% .Barrie was the highest scoring dman last year because of this (getting assists off of mcdavid and drai)


So all your arguments are based on future what ifs and not facts. Got it.
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4 janv. 2022 à 21 h 37
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Quoting: Xqb15a
So all your arguments are based on future what ifs and not facts. Got it.


Not exactly. Bouchard has already proven that he's a top 4 dman in his first year. After seeing his development it's very likely that he can a top pairing dman within the next 2-3 years as long as he follows his trend upward. And, Bouchard can sign an extension anytime between now until his contract is expired. Giving whichever team has him a good chance to sign him this off season for cheap (6-7 for long term).

Here are two charts showing Bouchard's NHL star probabilities created by Byron Bader, who is the creator of hockeyprospects.com and an NHL draft consultant: Bader-Bouchard-Comp.pngEpke4uZVgAE-ASh.png

There's also a chart from evolving hockey (must subscribe to see it) showing the Oilers' expected GAR where Bouchard ranks third behind McDavid and Draisaitl and is not far behind.
5 janv. 2022 à 9 h 56
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Not exactly. Bouchard has already proven that he's a top 4 dman in his first year. After seeing his development it's very likely that he can a top pairing dman within the next 2-3 years as long as he follows his trend upward. And, Bouchard can sign an extension anytime between now until his contract is expired. Giving whichever team has him a good chance to sign him this off season for cheap (6-7 for long term).

Here are two charts showing Bouchard's NHL star probabilities created by Byron Bader, who is the creator of hockeyprospects.com and an NHL draft consultant: Bader-Bouchard-Comp.pngEpke4uZVgAE-ASh.png

There's also a chart from evolving hockey (must subscribe to see it) showing the Oilers' expected GAR where Bouchard ranks third behind McDavid and Draisaitl and is not far behind.


You are seriously proving my point for me. “After seeing his development it is very likely he can be a top pairing dman in 2-3 years”. That’s what Girard is now. It’s a down grade right now immediately. And for the sake of argument he does turn into a #1 dman he is going to make significantly more than Girard’s $5M long term. I’ll be honest, I agree that in 3-4 yrs there is a chance Bouchard is better than Girard, I also think there is zero chance he is better than Makar and Byram, what’s the incentive for COL to down grade in the immediate future when they are trying to win a cup now? Hence my original position that COL doesn’t do that trade unless EDM adds. Teams playing to win Stanley cups this season don’t care nearly as much about what a player is in the future, outside of their own prospects and obviously a generational guy, over what the guy can provide right now. And right now Girard is that guy.
 
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