so while doing this I found it really annoying how much bad money Holland brought in and when thinking realistically, barrie probably is the only moveable one and thats just cause of what he did last season and his ability to be a serviceable (albeit defensively flawed) RHD OFD for a team needing some offence on the blue line and a PP QB.
I'd think if there is an ideal time to move it him, it would be during the deadline as a piece to acquire a rental in whatever area of the ice. Oilers can get a depth d for cheap if needed or use their in-house solutions. But, for the purpose of this ACGM I'm not even going to TRY and speculate what could come in return and if that player/goalie could be resigned. So lets say barrie + whatever pick for a rental that doesn't re-sign.
Kassian was very irritating. He has qualities that have some value to NHL teams but, the money is brutal to work with. I initially thought about retaining 500k to get a deal done but had a hard time still finding a suitor. So sadly I think buying him out might be the only way to save and keep assets to make other more meaningful moves
With moving Nuge to 3C, Top line and 3rd line are set.
1st: Foegel Mcdavid Poolparty
3rd: Holloway Nuge Yamo
The problem now is that there is about 9.6mil to spend to acquire a 4th line depth, top6RW, and a #1 goalie...
Priority #1 is the NETMINDER so looking into FA there's: Campbell, Kuemper, Holtby, koski
Also some trade targets like: Jarry, Vanecek rights, grubauer?, varlamov. mrazek
I'm going with making a big move to get Jarry from what looks like a declining, aging Penguins team. Skinner will no doubt be at least a backup NY full-time(would prefer dealing smith but that's unrealistic as hell), Broberg is a top-quality future and solid draft capital.
Priority #2 is a TOP 6 RW. Issue is I don't see this problem being effectively addressed due to cap constraints. If the money can work, Rakell would an ideal FA signing. If can't afford that,I'd be very interested in val nichushkin as he is pretty young and a very strong defensively which would be welcomed in edmonton.
*UPDATE: Found the Money, Rakell it is (maybe a solid add at the deadline if holland can't get a way to add something decent + ducks fall to earth)*
Priority 3: is basically depth + B6 positions which will need to be filled with defensively minded players and a player that is capable of scoring the odd goal. Possibly a re-signing of Perlini?
*UPDATE: not much left for this area. Hoping the impending coaching change will have them not play tippet's idiotic B6 system*
The team is better, and deeper without selling absolutely everything valuable in the system (some rental buying room). Bad money like Keith, smith and dead space($2mil) will be out in place for some internal options. The key for this season contract wise would be to sign bouch early and for LONG TERM. I think this team is deep enough up front and has enough goaltending quality to outscore some of its impending defensive lapses to a much less agredious extent as this year. The biggest change will be that the forward group is more sound defensively and reliable. getting rid of a defensive disaster like barrie will help things improve greatly as well and upcoming system guys will allow for some key breathing room when keith and smith deals are up. The trades might not be 100% ofc but, I think the foundations are there more or less. This kind of team SHOULD STRIVE in the west.
There is no reason in the world the Pens would move Jarry. They have him for one more season at $3.5M. Not sure why people keep thinking we're sellers. Pens decline.
There is no reason in the world the Pens would move Jarry. They have him for one more season at $3.5M. Not sure why people keep thinking we're sellers. Pens decline.
Youre telling me you wouldnt make this trade???????
There is no reason in the world the Pens would move Jarry. They have him for one more season at $3.5M. Not sure why people keep thinking we're sellers. Pens decline.
I'd say if this year isn't going well this would be a good deadline deal for the pens. gives them a future defensive and goaltending pieces and high end draft capital. The oilers get the starter they've been searching for. for years. That why I made the price tag as high as it is for a goalie that has 1YL because jarry is a good, young goalie that the oilers could absolutely sign especially with his connections to edmonton in junior.
I think its a win-win given pitsburgh will probably be on the decline just cause of aging players. Plus it would allow for the pens to try and grab Campbell in FA cause they would have deep enough pockets for it, and he is looking like a guy that probably is better than jarry. Oilers just wouldn't be able to afford Campbell currently cause holland bundled the cap space he had.
Youre telling me you wouldnt make this trade???????
have to pay a high price for a starting netminder that is young. has ties to edmonton so re-signing I think won't be an issue for Jarry at a reasonable price tag. Pens get some much needed building blocks to do a quick re-tool. If anything the price tag might be too high but, If I am going to guesstimate the price tag I'd rather start off overpricing and work down from there until a reasonable benchmark is hit.Broberg is the piece to sell though in edmonton for sure as the left side is packed up
I'd say if this year isn't going well this would be a good deadline deal for the pens. gives them a future defensive and goaltending pieces and high end draft capital. The oilers get the starter they've been searching for. for years. That why I made the price tag as high as it is for a goalie that has 1YL because jarry is a good, young goalie that the oilers could absolutely sign especially with his connections to edmonton in junior.
I think its a win-win given pitsburgh will probably be on the decline just cause of aging players. Plus it would allow for the pens to try and grab Campbell in FA cause they would have deep enough pockets for it, and he is looking like a guy that probably is better than jarry. Oilers just wouldn't be able to afford Campbell currently cause holland bundled the cap space he had.
There is no win out of this for the Pens. None. The only team that wins here is the OIlers. It's a bad trade, man. Come on. This aging group is climbing up the standings and has a very solid supporting cast, not to mention they're still missing Geno, Jake and Rust, on and that old guy Sid? He's over a point-per-game.
Terrible non-sensical trade. Only good for the Oilers.
There is no win out of this for the Pens. None. The only team that wins here is the OIlers. It's a bad trade, man. Come on. This aging group is climbing up the standings and has a very solid supporting cast, not to mention they're still missing Geno, Jake and Rust, on and that old guy Sid? He's over a point-per-game.
Terrible non-sensical trade. Only good for the Oilers.
Broberg would be a T4/T6 dman next year for you guys, skinner at 24 will be a bona fide backup (better than smith) and then 2 higher end draft pieces. a first, an A prospect, and young goalie is fair for a going with 1 YL going to UFA.
Broberg would be a T4/T6 dman next year for you guys, skinner at 24 will be a bona fide backup (better than smith) and then 2 higher end draft pieces. a first, an A prospect, and young goalie is fair for a going with 1 YL going to UFA.
DUDE. You're not getting it. It's not about the return. THE PENS HAVE NO REASON TO MOVE JARRY. It just doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure how to make this any more clear.
DUDE. You're not getting it. It's not about the return. THE PENS HAVE NO REASON TO MOVE JARRY. It just doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure how to make this any more clear.
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You'll need to retool soon. if not, in 2 seasons you face losing jarry to unrestricted FA as is. that's why I have this as something for the offseason/NY because when the pens inevitably get booted in the 1st round Burke will look to retool because it'd be a hell of a lot better to retool for a year or so then to have a 5+ yr rebuild after 22-23. Good teams stay good for a long time by dealing with potential issues before they occur.
You'll need to retool soon. if not, in 2 seasons you face losing jarry to unrestricted FA as is. that's why I have this as something for the offseason/NY because when the pens inevitably get booted in the 1st round Burke will look to retool because it'd be a hell of a lot better to retool for a year or so then to have a 5+ yr rebuild after 22-23. Good teams stay good for a long time by dealing with potential issues before they occur.
LOL Wow. You're just not getting it. It doesn't matter if they'll need a re-tool soon, it's NOT HAPPENING NOW. They're not going to sacrifice a possible cup run because you think they need a retool.
Right now, all you're doing is you've identified a player you like and fits financially for the Oilers, so you're trying to create this rationale that doesn't exist to make this trade.
Just because YOU think they'll need a retool doesn't mean they do or will any time soon. You're honestly more way off base than some of the worst trade ideas on here.
The Pens say no one hundred times over. I'm sorry you're the fan of a terribly run team, but that doesn't mean other teams need to run their as bad as yours has.
LOL Wow. You're just not getting it. It doesn't matter if they'll need a re-tool soon, it's NOT HAPPENING NOW. They're not going to sacrifice a possible cup run because you think they need a retool.
Right now, all you're doing is you've identified a player you like and fits financially for the Oilers, so you're trying to create this rationale that doesn't exist to make this trade.
Just because YOU think they'll need a retool doesn't mean they do or will any time soon. You're honestly more way off base than some of the worst trade ideas on here.
The Pens say no one hundred times over. I'm sorry you're the fan of a terribly run team, but that doesn't mean other teams need to run their as bad as yours has.
Lets see in a couple of years. but to suggest they are going for a cup run is laughable. they are in playoff limbo. perpetual 1st round exits. the east will eat that team alive. Also have you seen Burke's player management. He's been a tire fire for years
Lets see in a couple of years. but to suggest they are going for a cup run is laughable. they are in playoff limbo. perpetual 1st round exits. the east will eat that team alive. Also have you seen Burke's player management. He's been a tire fire for years
In a couple of years is one thing. It's not happening now. Please, keep thinking a cup run is laughable. Remember we have a different roster this year and Malkin, Jake and Rust are all currently out in the middle of our seven game winning streak.
It's all good though, you're bitter, I get it. I'm sure you'll enjoy when McDavid requests a trade when EDM misses the playoffs this year.
In a couple of years is one thing. It's not happening now. Please, keep thinking a cup run is laughable. Remember we have a different roster this year and Malkin, Jake and Rust are all currently out in the middle of our seven game winning streak.
It's all good though, you're bitter I get it. I'm sure you'll enjoy when McDavid requests a trade when EDM misses the playoffs this year.
I"just mirroring the greater public opinion. The team is aging and nobody gets younger that simple logic
I"just mirroring the greater public opinion. The team is aging and nobody gets younger that simple logic
Nope, but the Pens keep outplaying their opponents. They absolutely dominated the Isles and the reason they lost is the because of the goalie you want so bad.
I guess if we go by the greater public opinion, then you guys will lose McDavid pretty soon and keep missing the playoffs.
There is no win out of this for the Pens. None. The only team that wins here is the OIlers. It's a bad trade, man. Come on. This aging group is climbing up the standings and has a very solid supporting cast, not to mention they're still missing Geno, Jake and Rust, on and that old guy Sid? He's over a point-per-game.
Terrible non-sensical trade. Only good for the Oilers.
Jesus christ. No goalie is worth that much and certainly not a rental, a rental who wasnt very good last year if you dont remember. The pens declining this trade is a fireable offense and not just that, if the gm didnt get fired it would be negligence on the part of ownership.
Jesus christ. No goalie is worth that much and certainly not a rental, a rental who wasnt very good last year if you dont remember. The pens declining this trade is a fireable offense and not just that, if the gm didnt get fired it would be negligence on the part of ownership.
Like I said I am kinda feeling out what would the trade realistically look like. I think its an overpayment for jarry but, just trying to feel it out and adjust. But Jarry to edmonton makes so much sense on a lot of levels all the way to his ties to edmonton with winning Memorial Cup and 2xWHL titles with the oil kings
Jesus christ. No goalie is worth that much and certainly not a rental, a rental who wasnt very good last year if you dont remember. The pens declining this trade is a fireable offense and not just that, if the gm didnt get fired it would be negligence on the part of ownership.
I think the disconnect here, and I honestly don't mean this in a snide way, but just because YOU or others think it's time for the Pens move on doesn't mean that's what's in their plans. All reports are that the Pens have no immediate plans to rebuild or retool. They believe they can remain competitive and want to keep the course.
So while the value is fine, the trade only benefits EDM right now and doesn't make sense for the Pens' plans. Just because a good trade is there for the taking doesn't mean you take it if you don't have the right kind of replacement. If the Pens had a REAL replacement for Jarry and it all works out financially? Ok, then maybe you take a look, but so often people think it's so easy to just "figure it out" and make the trade. It doesn't work that way in reality. Top tier goalies don't just grow on trees. If they were so easy to replace, everyone would have them. Again, I honestly am trying to sound like a diack lol. I promise. You and I generally have constructive debates.
I think the disconnect here, and I honestly don't mean this in a snide way, but just because YOU or others think it's time for the Pens move on doesn't mean that's what's in their plans. All reports are that the Pens have no immediate plans to rebuild or retool. They believe they can remain competitive and want to keep the course.
So while the value is fine, the trade only benefits EDM right now and doesn't make sense for the Pens' plans. Just because a good trade is there for the taking doesn't mean you take it if you don't have the right kind of replacement. If the Pens had a REAL replacement for Jarry and it all works out financially? Ok, then maybe you take a look, but so often people think it's so easy to just "figure it out" and make the trade. It doesn't work that way in reality. Top tier goalies don't just grow on trees. If they were so easy to replace, everyone would have them. Again, I honestly am trying to sound like a diack lol. I promise. You and I generally have constructive debates.
Nope i wasnt making any assumptions about the future plans of pittsburgh. I was commenting that just the sheer value of the package coming in for a goalie, thats a rental, that isnt a top tier goalie, hes just having a good start to the season.
Pens2000 a aimé ceci.
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