Zucker now Tara at TDL

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Créé par: vikhodush

Équipe: 2021-22 Hurricanes de la Caroline

Date de création initiale: 10 août 2021

Publié: 10 août 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

PIT seems to have been looking at moving Zucker this summer but wasn't able to do it. He had a rough year last year and has a substantial cap hit so maybe this offer does it. Gives them some more cap space and a couple of good futures.

Tara deal happens at TDL and only if he proves he's healthy through first half of season. Not sure about value here but I'd imagine this is fair if he proves he's healthy and effective even if he has taken a small step back. Feel free to provide counters given these assumptions.

Next year starts getting tight but I think they can make it work - between Necas, Troch, Bear they'll probably need to find an extra 7Mish. Nino coming off plus potentially letting Cole go gets you there, and cap seems like it'll raise by 1M next year too so they should be able to make it work.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Svechnikov, Andrei		2	6 750 000 $
Lajoie, Maxime		2	850 000 $

Transactions

CAR

Zucker, Jason (1 000 000 $ retained)

PIT

Ponomarev, Vasili
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (CAR)

Détails additionnels:

Not sure about value - Zucker had a bad year and has a sizeable cap hit. Seems like Pens have been trying to move him but have had a tough time. This clears space for them and gives them a pick in a deep draft and a B prospect.

CAR

Tarasenko, Vladimir (1 500 000 $ retained)

Détails additionnels:

Done at TDL after Tara proves he's healthy

STL

Fast, Jesper
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (CAR)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CAR)

Détails additionnels:

Assuming he's healthy, value goes back up.

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	77 473 583 $	0 $	537 500 $	4 026 417 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Teräväinen, Teuvo 5 400 000 $5 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Aho, Sebastian 8 460 250 $8 460 250 $ C UFA - 3	Tarasenko, Vladimir 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD NTC UFA - 2
Svechnikov, Andrei 6 750 000 $6 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 8	Trocheck, Vincent 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Necas, Martin 863 333 $863 333 $ (537 500 $$538K) AD RFA - 1
Niederreiter, Nino 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Staal, Jordan 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 2	Zucker, Jason 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2
Lorentz, Steven 725 000 $725 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1	Stepan, Derek 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Leivo, Josh 750 000 $750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Slavin, Jaccob 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 4	Bear, Ethan 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Skjei, Brady 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 3	Pesce, Brett 4 025 000 $4 025 000 $ DD UFA - 3	Raanta, Antti 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 2
	Deangelo, Anthony 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Cole, Ian 2 900 000 $2 900 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Smith, Brendan 800 000 $800 000 $ DG/DD, AG UFA - 1		Gardiner, Jake 4 050 000 $4 050 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2
Lajoie, Maxime 850 000 $850 000 $ DG RFA - 1
Martinook, Jordan 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Aho, S.		Trocheck, V.		Tarasenko, V.
	Svechnikov, A.		Deangelo, A.

Avantage numérique 2
Niederreiter, N.		Staal, J.		Zucker, J.
	Bear, E.		Necas, M.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Staal, J.	Trocheck, V.
	Slavin, J.	Pesce, B.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Aho, S.	Teräväinen, T.
	Skjei, B.	Cole, I.

10 août 2021 à 15 h 45

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Maybe a Nino for Zucker swap? I dont think PIT is worried about space right now. More like we didn't take the chance on players we shouldve.

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10 août 2021 à 15 h 48

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Quoting: Imagine875948

Maybe a Nino for Zucker swap? I dont think PIT is worried about space right now. More like we didn't take the chance on players we shouldve.

I've heard offers like this quite a bit and I think it's doable but the Pens would have to add imo - Nino coming off a great year and just one year left at a high cap hit whereas Zucker coming off a bad year with some injuries with 2 years of a big cap hit.

Canes don't really need to move Nino though so bringing Zucker in would just help improve that third line which would be pretty tough to play against with Staal Nino and Zucker. I've heard Canes fan say we should move Nino now since we likely won't re-sign him but I don't get that argument. They have the cap space this year and he makes their team better. A trade likely won't bring that much of an upgrade over him and more likely we'd get some kind of futures which doesn't make sense either. Biggest knock on this team last year was depth scoring.

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10 août 2021 à 15 h 57

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Quoting: vikhodush

Zucker had a bad year, but I would blame him. The year that we traded for him he was doing great. Then the whole covid thing happened. It changed the play of alot of players. And I would say that Malkin brought him down a little. I thinks it's very possible for a rebound season. And with Suzuki coming in soon, he could slot down in that bottom 6.

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10 août 2021 à 16 h 5

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Quoting: vikhodush

Another point is like you said, our window. If the canes window closes earlier than expected, you'll want a 2-3 year Zucker because then you have him locked up for playoff runs. Theres always a chance that Nino walks in FA and does get traded. I think if he doesn't want to resign or the canes dont think they'll resign him, is to get a guy luke Zucker who has more leverage and dont have to worry about his contract for another 2 years.

10 août 2021 à 16 h 7

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Fast won't be of much interest to the Blues. And if Tarasenko is back to his old self, this ain't gonna cut it. The Blues aren't in a rebuild.

10 août 2021 à 16 h 23

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Quoting: mokumboi

Fast won't be of much interest to the Blues. And if Tarasenko is back to his old self, this ain't gonna cut it. The Blues aren't in a rebuild.

Yeah Fast was more just moving somebody out but understand that's probably not too interesting to Blues, should've thought that piece through more.

What offer would you be looking for in that scenario? I get the Blues aren't in a rebuild - but seems like Tara and the team want to go their separate ways at some point in the near future. My thought is it would be easier for the Blues to get assets for Tara and then turn around and use them + whatever else is needed to get another impact player and to use that cap space it frees up differently. I don't see too many situations where a true "hockey" trade is in the cards with Tara.

10 août 2021 à 16 h 47

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Quoting: vikhodush

Perhaps Suzuki?

But I do think you underestimate how much teams would be willing to hockey trade for a Tarasenko back on his grind.

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10 août 2021 à 16 h 58

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Quoting: mokumboi

Perhaps Suzuki?

But I do think you underestimate how much teams would be willing to hockey trade for a Tarasenko back on his grind.

I could part with Suzuki as part of a deal for a healthy / effective Tara.

Maybe that's true - I just think hockey trades are tougher mid-season. Would think that only contenders are wanting to take on a piece like Tara and they likely wouldn't want to give up a core piece in doing that if they have the cap space to take him on without doing that. But I guess it's a similar perspective for the Blues, so maybe a trade next offseason makes more sense unless they're willing to take an underwhelming return before this season starts due to risk which it doesn't seem like Armstrong is willing to do.

10 août 2021 à 17 h 0

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I know this messes up the Tarasenko trade but what do you think of Fast and RFA rights to Lajoie for Zucker with the $1 mil retention?

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10 août 2021 à 17 h 2

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Quoting: SpaghettiHead11

I know this messes up the Tarasenko trade but what do you think of Fast and RFA rights to Lajoie for Zucker with the $1 mil retention?

I like it - think Canes would go for it. Fast is good but he's replaceable and wouldn't mind seeing some of our kids get a shot which he is kind of blocking. Don't think Fast is a big piece of the Tara trade anyways.

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10 août 2021 à 17 h 4

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Quoting: vikhodush

I think Fast would fill a void given PIT's depth at RW. I could see a line of Carter, Fast and Zahorna. I'll have my people call your people. lol

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