Yanni's not going anywhere. Switch up and put Palat and now we're on to something...

I could go for that. But you'd lose one of Dellandrea or Dickinson imo.

Firstly, thanks for posting a Dallas Stars team, you hardly ever see them here.

Secondly, that's a whopping overpay for Yanni Gourde. Although Tampa doesn't want to part with him, they may have to. If that's the case, either Dellandrea or Dickinson + a 3rd (at most) likely gets it done - but only if Tampa has to part with Gourde.

Not trading a former 13th overall pick for a one year rental. Palat will most likely get a 3rd.

Dellandrea won't be much better than Dickinson unfortunately. But yes, given Palat has 1 year left, I'd offer Dickinson or Dellandrea and a 3rd. Palat is worth more than just a 3rd.

I could see that. But I think people over value Dellandrea.

I'd like Killorn but I doubt that would happen.

just THINK Ardvison got LA a 2nd and a 3rd...and they think Palat can only garner a 3rd alone.

I don't know how you can say today that Dellandrea will not be better than Dickinson. This young man has a great tool box, is only 21 year old starting next season and has just 26 NHL games under his belt.

On what is your opinion based?

So how do you expect to fit the cap? In this scenario you can’t even fit Palat’s extra 1.3 compared to Gourde, and both of Oleksiak and Coleman are underpaid by 1 million. You will be surprised on what he’ll return, Tampa is a cap strapped team, they will get market value at best for him. Even if you think Dellandrea won’t be good he still has value, and way more than Palat.

Palat the very least matches what LA paid for Arvidsson.

While I agree that Palat, at fair market value, should see well more than a 3rd Round Pick in return you've also gotta remember that the Bolts are currently playing with negative cap space. They are going to be forced to move players at a discount in order to get under the cap. Not saying that discount comes in the form of one 3rd Round Pick, but Palat (or whoever they trade) is not going to fetch normal value in a trade because Tampa doesn't really have much in the way of leverage in trade negotiations.

Tampa would have to retain. That's the only way it works, hence why the Stars don't take anything else. Just the player and the retained salary. It be a mil at most. Tampa to shed 4.1-4.4 mil would likely go for that.

your giving the NHL Gms way too much credit, just take a look at todays trade. Thats a horrendous trade for EDM.

I'm not saying he won't be better, I am saying I doubt he will be that much better than Dickinson. They play a similar game. They are defensively responsible, project as a 3/4 line player, who can play up in the line up on occasion, and likely could top out at 20-30 points a year. They are both very valuable very versitle players. I have nothing against either and I would love to keep them both. But to say Dellandrea because he's a first round pick is going to be a top 6 center scoring 50-60 points is unrealistic in my view. Also, to get a player like Palat, Gourde, or (wishful thinking) Killorn, I would go for this trade or something similar. Stars have to win now. Pavelski and Radulov are 90% likely to be gone after this year. Benn is definitely aging. Who knows if Klingberg will return after this year. I'd say at best that's 50/50. Robertson has turned into a quality top 6 option. So has Hintz. Gurianov has shown flashes of being a 25-30 goal scorer and a top 6 scoring threat. Dellandrea is expendable in my view. If had to choose, I'd give up Dickinson, but they might not go for that. So I had to up the ante. Maybe both is wayyyy too much and I concede that, especially for Palat and his 1 year return. But Gourde has term and would be a at least a top 9 if not top 6 for the next 2 -3 years. You have to pay to get.

Dickinson was also a first round pick....

I think you're giving NHL GM's too little credit. The Ken Holland trade today is the anomaly, not the rule.

Teams aren't going to be getting into a bidding war for Palat. Opposing teams have the upper hand in those trade negotiations, because they can simply wait on the Lightning to be forced to trade him for peanuts compared to his actual value. The closer the Lightning get to the season, the lower value return they are going to get because they're going to be getting closer to the deadline where they have to be under the cap.

Does Palat make Dallas a true Cup Contender? The answer is no, and if the answer is no then what sense does it make for Dallas to trade away a 21-year old forward that could be a valuable depth piece for the organization when they are ready to compete for a Cup?

That's the thing. If healthy, this roster is ready to compete. If you don't believe that, then what was our cup run just last year for? What does it even mean? Over valuing prospects is why we are where we are. Just my opinion though. Nill most likely agrees with you.

Still, it's way way way way too early to label Dellandrea as a botton-six/X number of points/Role A, B or C. It's when this type of thinking happens that player development goes down the drain.

I mean, he is no Gretzky but my guess is that he has much more offensive potential than we think.

Of course, if you put him on a 4th line with offensive black hole Comeau and a career AHL player like Kero, you have all the chance in the world to destroy any kind of upside.

IMHO, it's not before players play around 150-200 games that you can generally labelled them and predict accordingly. Especially when said players do not have any kind of injury/attitude/personnal issues.

I see your point. And I will concede we haven't seen his total value and potential yet. I grant you that. Personally I wouldn't play him anywhere near Comeau or Kero, but I am not Bowness. If he's on the roster and not in the AHL next year, I'd have him start on the 3rd line with Coleman (if we sign him) and Benn. If not Coleman, you can slide someone like Gurianov, Damiani, Kiviranta, or someone else with offensive upside in a 3rd line role. Faksa, maybe, if he proves hes healthy but I would imagine he is better suited for a 4th line role at this point. He's still great defensively, but if Bowness goes with Seguin, Hintz, Benn, and Faksa down the middle, he definitely is the 4th line center.

My biggest issue is more Bowness and his usage than anything and what I am afraid of is that Dellandrea will be played in a "checking role" on the 4th line with Faksa or Comeau or some other fringe NHLer to try and maximize his defensive game and his other parts will regress. Dickinson is kinda like that right now due to usage. So why not trade him for someone Bowness would actually use...

That Cup run was arguably the worst thing that could have happened to the Stars, because it gave the fanbase unrealistic expectations & a false sense of how good this team is. That Stanley Cup Final Stars team was a team that is not a top-3 seed in the central if a full season is played (they were absolutely abysmal right up to the Covid stoppage).

Calgary series - Good series that Dallas deserved to win.

Colorado series - The Avs were playing with an AHL goalie & missed 2 of their 3 best players for a majority of the series

Vegas series - Khudobin played on an unsustainable level during that series. Something he won’t be able to do again.

Looking at the Western Conference right now, skill-wise Dallas is behind Colorado, Vegas, Minnesota, Edmonton, and probably Winnipeg as well. They are in the same tier as teams like Nashville, St. Louis, Chicago and Calgary. Trading for Palat does not move them up into that top tier of Western Conference teams.

Dellandrea usage last year was close to awful. The only time I saw him play better is when he had a short stay with Benn. Poor young man, he tried to play physical and was getting knocked out most of the time. He clearly did not have the "muscle" yet to play that physical. He should have been sent down as soon as the AHl games begun.

Another front office indecision that I had much trouble to understand.

And I 100% agree on you on Bowness. I hope that Robertson experience last year will motivate him to play Dellandrea in a much favorable position. If not, just sent him to the AHL so that he can develop his offensive game in a Top 6 role. He did well last year in his 8 games with the Baby Stars.