chicago gets a young dman, a pick and a more buyout friendly contract in neal. oilers get needed forward depth and a veteran dman. chicago buysout neal at the window and that's 6.48mil in cap free'd up for chicago to work with when hunting for a bigtime dman and have a seth jones bargaining chip in his brother caleb.
if oilers do a move for keith including koskinen then with neal oilers can do the following:
burry neal this year then next yr do the following:
Edmonton: retain 2mil of neal + mid round pick (last yr of contract)
NJ has alot of space and gets a couplepicks for their troubles, edmonton gets 3.175mil in savings and seattle gets a 2mil, veteran bottom 6 guy that can be a leader in Seattle plus a pick. Jersey: gets 2 later roundpicks to retain 1.175mil of neal
Seattle gets neal at $2mil for 1year and a later round pick
Expansion List (7/3/1): F--> Mcdavid, Drai, Nuge, Poolparty, Strome, Archy, benson D --> nurse, bear, larsson G --> skinner
Lose kassian in expansion draft. THIS IS THE BIGGEST KEY TO THE OILERS OFFSEASON, THEY NEED TO DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO MOVE KASSIAN AS HIS EXTRA 3.2MIL IN SPACE IS MASSIVE IN ALLOWING THE KOSKINEN AND NEAL DOMINOS TO FALL AND ACTUALLY MAKE A SERIOUS IMPACT
With the 19th pick (if not traded), select Cossa.
in Fa: I got some solid veterans in the form of nosek, getzlef, bogosian that have playoff experience and can shuffle in and out of the lineup to provide strong depth on the bottom half of the lineup whilst still being productive 5v5 when needed. I chose the big winger FA add to be goodrow as he is a fast and physical guy that has scored 20 goals in 2 of his 3 yr contact with NJD. He can be played upanddown the lineup and solidify a guy that can be aphysical presence playing with younger guys while still being able to keep-up.
NOTE *didnt add coleman cause all signs point to him going to his hometown of dallas*
really like this lineup because it majorly improves forward depth. adds experienced guys with some internal young solutions, takes care of the goalie situation, still have cap room to adust pieces when needed, and the lineup is very versatile with alot of guys having the ability to move up and down the lineup. Plus depth additions allow for younger guys to ease into their NHL roles. the defense could use some work but with broberg coming on the left side and a few contracts being gone, the oilers can make moves without destroying their space or the core built from this offseason. If keith isnt working, then find a rental to play the 2nd pair and move keith down the 7th spot.the significant cap space here will provide a safety net if the keith gamble goes sideways. should it go bad,itd be time to see if a last yr buyout or heavy retain trade is possible.
Chicago needs the cap space a neal buyout and moving other money out gives them. neal buyout and strome gone gives the 6.84mil in space which is huge. jones and a 2nd for strome is more than fair given that neal's contract most definitely provides much more value than keith could ever provide them and on top of that chicago gets a young 4/5 dman with upside that can be a major bargaining chip for trying to snag and sign seth. in addition chicago would not need to worry about signing strome and have another yr of caleb still at 850k. given the big dmen will be in bidding wars, chicago is going to need all the cap leverage it can muster if they want to aquire any of them
teams have paid much more for muchless cap relief and given this is significant relief during a flat cap. strome is fair compensation (he is a middle 6 forward at 24)
Chicago needs the cap space a neal buyout and moving other money out gives them. neal buyout and strome gone gives the 6.84mil in space which is huge. jones and a 2nd for strome is more than fair given that neal's contract most definitely provides much more value than keith could ever provide them and on top of that chicago gets a young 4/5 dman with upside that can be a major bargaining chip for trying to snag and sign seth. in addition chicago would not need to worry about signing strome and have another yr of caleb still at 850k. given the big dmen will be in bidding wars, chicago is going to need all the cap leverage it can muster if they want to aquire any of them
teams have paid much more for muchless cap relief and given this is significant relief during a flat cap. strome is fair compensation (he is a middle 6 forward at 24)
However, we don't need Cap relief. Buying out Neal this year is not good for us as it will mean 4 years of carrying some form of hit. Jones as a 4/5 prospect is no better than what we already have and Jones is likely going to be heading to Philly. As for Strome, his value is at an all time low I acknowledge that but he could fetch a far greater return elsewhere if a move is to be made.
Chicago needs the cap space a neal buyout and moving other money out gives them. neal buyout and strome gone gives the 6.84mil in space which is huge. jones and a 2nd for strome is more than fair given that neal's contract most definitely provides much more value than keith could ever provide them and on top of that chicago gets a young 4/5 dman with upside that can be a major bargaining chip for trying to snag and sign seth. in addition chicago would not need to worry about signing strome and have another yr of caleb still at 850k. given the big dmen will be in bidding wars, chicago is going to need all the cap leverage it can muster if they want to aquire any of them
teams have paid much more for muchless cap relief and given this is significant relief during a flat cap. strome is fair compensation (he is a middle 6 forward at 24)
See I disagree with your logic. Keith for 2 year is the compensation.
See I disagree with your logic. Keith for 2 year is the compensation.
keith is unmoveable and buyout proof neal'scontracts is structured so that there is savings of 3.83 mil x2yrs then a hit of 1.916mil x2yrs. by the time neal costs any cap every contract is chiago except for stillman and seabrook will have expired so bad contracts will be all but gone
There is no way that Francis takes Kassian for nothing.
i doubt it too. I'd think they would take even lagesson over kassian. but edmonton should try and do whatever necessary to make it happen as the cap hit isnt egregious enough to warrant losing a 1st or anything crazy valuable as compensation
However, we don't need Cap relief. Buying out Neal this year is not good for us as it will mean 4 years of carrying some form of hit. Jones as a 4/5 prospect is no better than what we already have and Jones is likely going to be heading to Philly. As for Strome, his value is at an all time low I acknowledge that but he could fetch a far greater return elsewhere if a move is to be made.
you save 3.83 mil from neal for next 2 yrs and costs you 1.916 the following 2 yrs. when that happens every current contract outside of seabrook will be expired.
strome will need to be re-signed next year and if chicago is wanting to go for a big name, they need space/move out a bad contract cause the big names always get paid in FA regardless of normal market conditions.
strome for a potential Long term top 4 dman and a 2nd is fair (given strome has only surpsed 50pts once in his career while playing with toews kane and debrincat in this time)
as it stands right now jones is at least your 4th best dman and is still growing so saying he would not be useful in the team is well off.
6.83 mil in additional cap space is alot under normal conditions as is (let alone when the cap stuck at 81.5), and teams have paid alot more to free less. and no team under these conditions would say they don't want cap space because that is a very valuable commodity with so few teams legitimately have sizeable room.
p.s Jones would require a trade, why not go for a start FA dman and not give up assets to aquire a stud?
keith is unmoveable and buyout proof neal'scontracts is structured so that there is savings of 3.83 mil x2yrs then a hit of 1.916mil x2yrs. by the time neal costs any cap every contract is chiago except for stillman and seabrook will have expired so bad contracts will be all but gone
you save 3.83 mil from neal for next 2 yrs and costs you 1.916 the following 2 yrs. when that happens every current contract outside of seabrook will be expired.
strome will need to be re-signed next year and if chicago is wanting to go for a big name, they need space/move out a bad contract cause the big names always get paid in FA regardless of normal market conditions.
strome for a potential Long term top 4 dman and a 2nd is fair (given strome has only surpsed 50pts once in his career while playing with toews kane and debrincat in this time)
as it stands right now jones is at least your 4th best dman and is still growing so saying he would not be useful in the team is well off.
6.83 mil in additional cap space is alot under normal conditions as is (let alone when the cap stuck at 81.5), and teams have paid alot more to free less. and no team under these conditions would say they don't want cap space because that is a very valuable commodity with so few teams legitimately have sizeable room.
p.s Jones would require a trade, why not go for a start FA dman and not give up assets to aquire a stud?
With Seabs and Shaw on LTIR we have 17m in cap space prior to signing the RFA.
If CHI wants to go for a big name UFA we have the capacity to do that, however it was only announced last year that we are rebuilding. Our name has been thrown around for Jones, Dougie, Eichel however none are realistic possibilities tbf due to the ask of them all whether its a trade or whether its the cap hit associated.
Im also not sure how you get that Jones would be in our top 4.
Strome may need a raise but for it to be of decent proportions that would mean he will have improved and played some great hockey otherwise I don't see it being massive to which we can quite comfortably take.
The 4 year cap hit during the flat cap era is just irresponsible handling of the cap space afforded and would be a very unlikely and very unpopular move.
Again, we are not moving Keith to try and gain cap, we are exploring the options because he has asked to be closer to family.
Trust me, oilers fans dont want keith at all unless there is significant retaining on chicagos end.
We already have 3 overpaid bottom end guys in kassian koskinen and neal. If anything we would even move these guys for even money if we at least get someone thats useful (cause realistically its either that or giving an arm and leg to shed to cap).
But personally i feel there is a way to clear koskinen, kassian and neal without needing to get crushed in dead cap
With Seabs and Shaw on LTIR we have 17m in cap space prior to signing the RFA.
If CHI wants to go for a big name UFA we have the capacity to do that, however it was only announced last year that we are rebuilding. Our name has been thrown around for Jones, Dougie, Eichel however none are realistic possibilities tbf due to the ask of them all whether its a trade or whether its the cap hit associated.
Im also not sure how you get that Jones would be in our top 4.
Strome may need a raise but for it to be of decent proportions that would mean he will have improved and played some great hockey otherwise I don't see it being massive to which we can quite comfortably take.
The 4 year cap hit during the flat cap era is just irresponsible handling of the cap space afforded and would be a very unlikely and very unpopular move.
Again, we are not moving Keith to try and gain cap, we are exploring the options because he has asked to be closer to family.
Personally i hate the idea of the oilers even thinking of trading for keith. The only way itd make sense is if chicago took on some extra cap or did a straight swap with some bad money going the other way or is split retained with an additional team.
I think the oilers can find better ways of moving bad money and obtain needed space to build depth. This was more so a major what if scenario, should the ideal trade be made (from an oiler perspective)
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