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3 some with the Ducks and Win/Girardi Dump

Créé par: thelazygent
Équipe: 2017-18 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 4 févr. 2017
Publié: 4 févr. 2017
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
-We trade Zucc the season before he starts to decline. His value is at an all time high. We retain 50% on him and we max out his value further. Similar to the Brassard trade. Ana gets a first line winger for only 2.25 mill.
-We pick up Thedore flip him with a first for a much needed #1 RHD in Trouba. Winn wants a cost controlled LHD. They get a young stud in Theodore and a first. You have to give to get.
-We tell Vegas to take Girardi at 50% retained with 2 seconds to clear space.
-We still have two seconds which can easily be turned into a first for this draft if needed to.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
45 000 000 $
2900 000 $
21 200 000 $
1800 000 $
1650 000 $
Transactions
1.
NYR
  1. Theodore, Shea
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (ANA)
ANA
  1. Zuccarello, Mats (2 250 000 $ retained)
2.
WPG
  1. Theodore, Shea
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (NYR)
3.
NYR
  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2018 (CBJ)
CBJ
  1. Girardi, Dan (2 750 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (ANA)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (NYR)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2018
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2019
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2020
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2273 000 000 $66 367 500 $0 $3 007 500 $6 632 500 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
4 625 000 $4 625 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 4
3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
C
UFA - 5
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
C
UFA - 1
925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 2
755 000 $755 000 $ (Bonis de performance157 500 $$158K)
C, AG
UFA - 1
1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
900 000 $900 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
650 000 $650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
4 700 000 $4 700 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
2 812 500 $2 812 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 4
5 700 000 $5 700 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
925 000 $925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
2 900 000 $2 900 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
800 000 $800 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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4 févr. 2017 à 12 h 35
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This is offseason?
I do think that a trade this season will occur between NYR and Anaheim revolving somewhat around Miller for Manson.
4 févr. 2017 à 12 h 36
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Also forgot expansion draft... Raanta, Holden, Klein or Grabner will most likely get taken.
4 févr. 2017 à 13 h 4
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You will tell Vegas who to take (Girardi)? Doesn't Girardi's NMC have any meaning? Ducks have five of there Dmen leaving in the next two years. Gotta believe they want/need to keep all their young Dmen.
5 févr. 2017 à 13 h 1
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Quoting: Philu916
Also forgot expansion draft... Raanta, Holden, Klein or Grabner will most likely get taken.


I think it will be Raanta or Holden. Most likely Raanta. The reason why I didnt remove him is because well just replace him wtih someone for the same salary.
5 févr. 2017 à 13 h 19
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You will tell Vegas who to take (Girardi)? Doesn't Girardi's NMC have any meaning? Ducks have five of there Dmen leaving in the next two years. Gotta believe they want/need to keep all their young Dmen.


If you want to be a wise guy, you might want to know the truth. Girardi's NMC becomes a limited no trade clause on July 1st 2017. I would be willing to bet that he would accept a trade to Vegas, because of significant tax savings due to high NY state tax in addition to city tax.

Anaheim has an aging forward core that in my opinion would want to go for it now.

The 5 Dmen whose contracts expire in two years are:
Fowler
Bieska
Manson
Montour
Theodore

Fowler and Bieska are UFA. Bieska is not gonna be that good in 2 years so addition by subtraction. They will prob lose Fowler. Manson, Montour, and Theodore are RFAs. Stop with the blatant lie that 5 guys are leaving. Manson will get a good raise. Montour and Theodore will get min raisesas they arent full time NHLers.

1 guy will be leaving. If he leaves and they trade Theodore to Rangers, they will have

Lindholm-Manson
Larrson-Vatanen
xxxx-Montour

Thats a very good defense core. They would trade from a position of strength for a position of weakness..
6 févr. 2017 à 12 h 37
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Lazygent is appropriate. As you know entertainers, and pro athletes are incorporated. Their "tax rate" has little bearing on what a personal rate for ordinary working folks, who must use most of of their take home pay to work
The five guys I was talking was Fowler, Bieska, Stoner, Holzer (I forget the other). I wasn't using RFAs as the "five"
I don't mind being called a liar, but man are you stupid, lazy or a liar? I can't figure it out.
Yes, I like knowing the truth, but obviously I can't get from an minion like you.
7 févr. 2017 à 16 h 2
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Modifié 7 févr. 2017 à 16 h 20
Quoting: palhal
Lazygent is appropriate. As you know entertainers, and pro athletes are incorporated. Their "tax rate" has little bearing on what a personal rate for ordinary working folks, who must use most of of their take home pay to work
The five guys I was talking was Fowler, Bieska, Stoner, Holzer (I forget the other). I wasn't using RFAs as the "five"
I don't mind being called a liar, but man are you stupid, lazy or a liar? I can't figure it out.
Yes, I like knowing the truth, but obviously I can't get from an minion like you.


As a CPA in the state of NJ who once worked for "Sports Taxman", I know a little about the effect of changing sports teams has on an athletes wallet. Not sure what you mean by incorporated. The Steven Stamkos signing in TB rather than Tor is a huge example of that. Tor would have to have offered him 10m + to match the 8.5m he got in Tampa. What does ordinary working folk have to do with an athlete? We are all human beings that want to make the most money possible. Most athletes only have 5-10 years in this profession to make money.


Its clear you didn't look at ANA cap chart (https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/ducks). The UFA Dmen expiring in two years are Fowler, Bieska, and Stoner. Holzer is expiring after this season. Bieska will be addition by subtraction and Holzer plays 14 min a night (hardly a big lost). Stoner isn't good. Fowler would be a big lost, but I have a feeling they will extend him.

You were wrong on the Girardi NMC, because it becomes a Limited NTC after this season.
You try to say that only an ordinary working person cares about maxing his net salary. That makes no sense. Athletes are human beings too believe it or not.
You incorrectly state that 5 UFA Dmen are leaving in two years, when the cap chart proves there are only three. Only one of which is would be a significant lost.

Im not calling you a liar. Im calling you someone that doesn't know what they are talking about.
7 févr. 2017 à 23 h 28
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Lazygent is appropriate. As you know entertainers, and pro athletes are incorporated. Their "tax rate" has little bearing on what a personal rate for ordinary working folks,

As a CPA in the state of NJ who once worked for "Sports Taxman", I know a little about the effect of changing sports teams has on an athletes wallet. Not sure what you mean by incorporated. The Steven Stamkos signing in TB rather than Tor is a huge example of that. Tor would have to have offered him 10m + to match the 8.5m he got in Tampa. What does ordinary working folk have to do with an athlete? We are all human beings that want to make the most money possible. Most athletes only have 5-10 years in this profession to make money.

You're a CPA or don't know what "incorporated" is. If you're comparing the personal tax rate for Toronto and Tampa you may correct and the differences. Wow, hard to believe you are a CPA and have any knowledge of taxes for athletes, and entertainers.

There is significant difference in tax rates especially for top end athletes who don't spend all of their earned money one year. Gee, Donald Trump says he doesn't pay income tax, and the basis is the same.

I know of a 12 year NHL veteran who has put all of his NHL salary in "personal corporation" and has paid little tax on this money...28 mill in salary and not including growth with his fund. He lived on the other incomes players got for being in the NHL and private endorsements deals.

Of course athletes are entitled to make all the money they can, and to keep as much money as they can. Why you even think I said anything different is silly.

If you want, I suggest you look into good companies who do tax for "incorporated individuals" There is a big difference in tax benefits for incorporated individuals and people that take all their income as personal income.

I do know what I'm talking about. I just doubt you are even a CPA (or a good one) if you don't know that so many individuals are "incorporated" and the tax benefits for these high earners. Wow really, you're a CPA?
8 févr. 2017 à 13 h 57
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In the previous post, you didn’t explain what you meant by incorporated in your post. You didn’t explain it very well and I didn’t know how it related to the point you were talking about. I have plenty of knowledge of sports and athletes. I have done a couple NHL athletes and our best client is a highly paid player on the Wild. I won’t name his name for confidentiality reasons.

If you are referring to an actor or broadcaster setting up a corporation who receives 1099-Misc, I can assure you the reason why they set up as an S-Corp is for convenience. Athletes cannot incorporate a business, because they are an employee and not an independent contractor like an actor or broadcaster. Even if they could, there is no significant tax differences in top athletes who don’t spend all their money. Incorporations are taxed on the money they EARN. They are not taxed on how much money they don’t spend. That’s the most absurd thing I have ever heard. They are taxed on how much they earn even if they don’t distribute it to themselves. S-Corps and partnerships are flow through entities meaning their income % flows to their individual tax return. Their bottom lines goes to their 1040 even if they don’t distribute that money from the company to themselves.

The reason why Donald Trump didn’t pay any federal taxes is because he had a Net Operating Loss carry forward. He business lost money and you can carry that forward to offset against future earnings. You should not have to pay taxes if your business doesn’t make money. Period. But your probably one of those socialist idiots that were outraged when you heard he didn’t pay federal taxes while not knowing a damn think about the tax laws.

You probably misunderstood him. He probably said he made an investment company in a state with no state tax for himself and put his money that he earned via his career in the business. That money would be subject to only federal tax.

You said in the previous post that an athlete doesn’t care about maxing salary compared to an ordinary person, because an ordinary person needs to makes end meet. So I fairly said that athletes want to max out their net earnings like any human being.

I think you live in LaLa land. You made a team with the Islanders trading Tavares to the Rangers, which would never happen even it was fair value. A team will never trade to their rival. End of discussion and to think you may think it could proves you are clueless. You thought that Girardi had a NMC when in fact on July 1st it becomes a Limited NTC. You were wrong. You are wrong on the tax discussion.
8 févr. 2017 à 17 h 1
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In the previous post, you didn’t explain what you meant by incorporated in your post. You didn’t explain it very well and I didn’t know how it related to the point you were talking about. I have plenty of knowledge of sports and athletes. I have done a couple NHL athletes and our best client is a highly paid player on the Wild. I won’t name his name for confidentiality reasons.

If you are referring to an actor or broadcaster setting up a corporation who receives 1099-Misc, I can assure you the reason why they set up as an S-Corp is for convenience. Athletes cannot incorporate a business, because they are an employee and not an independent contractor like an actor or broadcaster. Even if they could, there is no significant tax differences in top athletes who don’t spend all their money. Incorporations are taxed on the money they EARN. They are not taxed on how much money they don’t spend. That’s the most absurd thing I have ever heard. They are taxed on how much they earn even if they don’t distribute it to themselves. S-Corps and partnerships are flow through entities meaning their income % flows to their individual tax return. Their bottom lines goes to their 1040 even if they don’t distribute that money from the company to themselves.

The reason why Donald Trump didn’t pay any federal taxes is because he had a Net Operating Loss carry forward. He business lost money and you can carry that forward to offset against future earnings. You should not have to pay taxes if your business doesn’t make money. Period. But your probably one of those socialist idiots that were outraged when you heard he didn’t pay federal taxes while not knowing a damn think about the tax laws.

You probably misunderstood him. He probably said he made an investment company in a state with no state tax for himself and put his money that he earned via his career in the business. That money would be subject to only federal tax.

You said in the previous post that an athlete doesn’t care about maxing salary compared to an ordinary person, because an ordinary person needs to makes end meet. So I fairly said that athletes want to max out their net earnings like any human being.

I think you live in LaLa land. You made a team with the Islanders trading Tavares to the Rangers, which would never happen even it was fair value. A team will never trade to their rival. End of discussion and to think you may think it could proves you are clueless. You thought that Girardi had a NMC when in fact on July 1st it becomes a Limited NTC. You were wrong. You are wrong on the tax discussion.


I'm certainly not wrong about Canadian Tax Law, which makes they difference in Canadian and USA taxes for entertainers very close.
You living in LaLA land. I never made a trade with Tavares going to the Rangers. I never said a player doesn't care about maxing salary. I did suggest and know that high end year earners can put away money in personal corporations and avoid high personal income taxes. Sorry I'm not wrong on the tax discussion. Since you can't read what I wrote and just like to make them up to suit your own argument. Quit making yourself feeling important on a website by putting yourself in a position of knowledge. If you are a CPA, you must be incompetent, but I just believe you're just trolling.
12 févr. 2017 à 18 h 55
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I'm not an expert on Canadian tax law. All I know is that Canadian teams have trouble getting FAs to sign there with the health care and federal and state income tax Not sure about the whole Canadian tax law which bridges taxes for entertainers. I cant comment on it as i don't know as far as Canadian tax law goes. You never mentioned that that was a Canadian tax law.

1. You never made a trade with Tavares? Here you go (https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/220082) You either have short term memory loss or probably are such a good pathological liar that you actually convinced your self that you didn't make a trade of Tavares to the Rangers.
2. You said " As you know entertainers, and pro athletes are incorporated. Their "tax rate" has little bearing on what a personal rate for ordinary working folks, who must use most of of their take home pay to work" I and many other normal people would interpret that to mean that as only a ordinary working folk has the need to max his salary.
3. In America, high earning people can put there earnings in a corporation if they are considered a independent contractor where they are not on payroll, don't receive a W-2, and receive a 1099 MISC. Broadcasters and Actors can do this, because their jobs are not year round (only 9 months) and considered an independent contractor like a mercenary. Athletes can not. High earning people that have a practice like Doctors, CPAs, etc can set up a corporation as well. Athletes are employees. Unless its a Canadian thing or fraudulent activity, which I cant comment on, you are wrong on the tax discussion.

Stick to making unrealistic trade proposals.

And please tell me more about how I am lazy and stupid.
 
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