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DET-STL pre-expansion draft

Créé par: guccipotato
Publié: 7 juin 2021 à 9 h 51
Plafond salarial: 81 500 000 $
Journées à la saison: 27/116 (23%)
Détermination du registraire central: Cette transaction a rempli les différents critères exigés par le registraire central de la LNH.

Logo de Red Wings de DetroitRed Wings de Detroit

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Bertuzzi, TylerRed Wings de DetroitIR50%407 328 $011---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (Logo de Capitals de WashingtonWSH)---100------
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Red Wings de DetroitDET)---010------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Dunn, VinceBlues de St-LouisLNH-436 422 $111---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (Logo de Blues de St-LouisSTL)---100------
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Blues de St-LouisSTL)---100------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial5 137 821 $24457541015
Variation-29 094 $1001-10
Final5 108 727 $ (↓)25 (↑)45755 (↑)9 (↓)15000

Logo de Blues de St-LouisBlues de St-Louis

La transaction a eu lieu alors que la LTIR est utilisée
Allègement provenant de la liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR): 10 250 000 $
Portion de la LTIR utilisée avant la transaction: 9 620 833 $
DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Dunn, VinceBlues de St-LouisLNH-1 875 000 $111---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (Logo de Blues de St-LouisSTL)---100------
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Blues de St-LouisSTL)---100------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Bertuzzi, TylerRed Wings de DetroitIR50%1 750 000 $011---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (Logo de Capitals de WashingtonWSH)---100------
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Red Wings de DetroitDET)---010------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial629 167 $3448633510
Variation125 000 $-100-110
Final754 167 $ (↑)33 (↓)48632 (↓)6 (↑)10000
7 juin 2021 à 9 h 54
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Blues can more easily protect Bertuzzi than Dunn. Red Wings jump up from 23 to 17 in 2021 and jump up from 33-40 to 15-25 in 2022 in return. STL's 2022 pick is top 10 protected. Red Wings sign Bertuzzi beforehand then retain 50% salary if need be.
7 juin 2021 à 10 h 15
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Quoting: guccipotato
Blues can more easily protect Bertuzzi than Dunn. Red Wings jump up from 23 to 17 in 2021 and jump up from 33-40 to 15-25 in 2022 in return. STL's 2022 pick is top 10 protected. Red Wings sign Bertuzzi beforehand then retain 50% salary if need be.



If you extend Bertuzzi and then retain half, this deal can be closed today. Even without retention, the Blues jump at this.
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7 juin 2021 à 10 h 34
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Really loving the idea of the red wings getting Vince Dunn.
7 juin 2021 à 11 h 35
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Quoting: RedWings35
Really loving the idea of the red wings getting Vince Dunn.


Honestly. Dunn is a bit overrated. He has been a healthy scratch at times within the past 2 yrs due to a subpar defensive game. He’s trending as a low end 2nd pairing D-Man. I think the blues would jump on this deal all day. But the Wings wouldn’t give up Bertuzzi for just what’s on the table. If Dunn was as good as some say, why hasn’t a team jumped on him for the supposed asking price of a 1st Rounder?
7 juin 2021 à 12 h 6
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Honestly. Dunn is a bit overrated. He has been a healthy scratch at times within the past 2 yrs due to a subpar defensive game. He’s trending as a low end 2nd pairing D-Man. I think the blues would jump on this deal all day. But the Wings wouldn’t give up Bertuzzi for just what’s on the table. If Dunn was as good as some say, why hasn’t a team jumped on him for the supposed asking price of a 1st Rounder?


Dunn had a pretty bad down year this year but he faired extremely well analytically in previous seasons, both offensively and defensively. A lot of Blues players had down years so I would take that with a grain of salt and hope he regresses to his former self. In regards to him not being traded yet, it's likely the Blues wanted to at least keep him for the playoffs, and the trade market hasn't exactly been busy recently. For all we know the Blues may want to keep him going into next season.

What do you feel would be a more fair deal for the Red Wings?
7 juin 2021 à 13 h 47
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Quoting: codyrider87
Honestly. Dunn is a bit overrated. He has been a healthy scratch at times within the past 2 yrs due to a subpar defensive game. He’s trending as a low end 2nd pairing D-Man. I think the blues would jump on this deal all day. But the Wings wouldn’t give up Bertuzzi for just what’s on the table. If Dunn was as good as some say, why hasn’t a team jumped on him for the supposed asking price of a 1st Rounder?


A first round pick is a lot to give up so if St. Louis asking price was around there then that seems a bit crazy. I’d give up a 2nd round pick for him as a wings fan (one we have 3, 2nd round picks this year) and two our left side is incredibly weak compared to our RD side for years to come... Taking a chance on Dunn even if he plays 2nd line time seems very worth it considering his age as well. Analytics don’t show you everything. He’s a skilled player, and could even get PP time as well.
7 juin 2021 à 13 h 50
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Quoting: guccipotato
Dunn had a pretty bad down year this year but he faired extremely well analytically in previous seasons, both offensively and defensively. A lot of Blues players had down years so I would take that with a grain of salt and hope he regresses to his former self. In regards to him not being traded yet, it's likely the Blues wanted to at least keep him for the playoffs, and the trade market hasn't exactly been busy recently. For all we know the Blues may want to keep him going into next season.

What do you feel would be a more fair deal for the Red Wings?


Analytics aren’t everything, you put guys in different systems and they perform different which could be very good or very bad. Considering Dunn’s age and the red wings boat load of draft picks I have no problem giving up a 2nd and a 4th or 5th if that’s what gets the deal dunn (done pun.) if they would flip him straight up for Bertuzzi and give us a pick I’d strongly consider that too.
7 juin 2021 à 19 h 56
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if they would flip him straight up for Bertuzzi and give us a pick I’d strongly consider that too.


They would. But what about Krug instead of Dunn? Any interest?
7 juin 2021 à 20 h 3
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They would. But what about Krug instead of Dunn? Any interest?


I wanted Krug when he was a UFA but I doubt St. Louis will move him, I’ll stick with Dunn
7 juin 2021 à 20 h 19
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I wanted Krug when he was a UFA but I doubt St. Louis will move him, I’ll stick with Dunn



Oh I think they would for Bertuzzi. No doubt.
 
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