Again I didn't miss your point you missed mine. You are conveniently ignoring what I said about them not making the team IN THE FIRST PLACE. The Oilers are a team that has been desperately searching for scoring from tertiary sources and yet neither of them was good enough to displace someone in the lineup. Also, Ken Holland says that about EVERY prospect. They are almost aged out and neither of them moves the bar at all in a trade for Mantha. Which brings me to my last point you didn't address: why did you comment about them if it wasn't IN RELATION TO THIS TRADE SUGGESTION? For the last time I don't care if you think they have value, I only care if I think they have value in relation to the trade suggestion. Which they don't.