Draisaitl is better away from mcdavid and Yamamoto is a stud. The Oilers 2nd line is not a problem. Like I said , it’s the bottom 6. That’s going to take a while to fix?

On defense they lost their best defenseman, but both nurse and bear have been producing like quality top pairing guys. The problem is they haven’t been playing Bouchard, who will be a star sooner than later if the Oilers give him a chance.

The Oilers have two top 10 Cs, a solid group of line caliber makers and a solid D core that will be led by bear and Bouchard. They need better depth players, which could come internally or through trade.

More than half of Draisaitl's points have come with McDavid on the ice as well. He's a good player for sure but he's not nearly as good as many make him out to be. He just gets lots of points, most of which while playing with McDavid. Yamamoto is good as is RNH, but other than that they don't have a lot. Fixing a complete lack of depth doesn't happen overnight especially when they have not alot of good prospects or cash.

Draisaitl isn’t just a good player , he’s a superstar. Draisaitl is better without mcdavid at even strength and is a top 10 C in the league.

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Draisaitl GF% with Mcdavid : 48.57%

Draisaitl GF% w/o Mcdavid: 55.32%

Draisaitl xGF% with Mcdavid: 47.11%

Draisaitl xGF% w/o Mcdavid: 51.93%

You clearly know nothing about the Oilers. Comments like this make me laugh. Guys who claim to be knowledgable about another team and their prospect pool, but in reality are just trying to sound smart. Draisaitl is a top 5 player in the league. If you actually watched him play you'd know that points aren't everything. The things he does on the ice are unreal. But you actually have to watch something other than YouTube to know that.

I know points aren't everything, which is why I say Draisaitl is overrated, because he doesn't do much else apart from getting points. He isn't strong defensively but scores a pile of points. There are probably 10 or more centres I'd pick over him.

Right, scoring goals (the hardest thing to do in the NHL) and creating goals are overrated.

McDavid does that on over half his points. He may centre his own line and often find offensive success but still the majority of his points come when McDavid is on the ice. On top of that he gives up as much as he creates at 5v5, (that is not completely the case this season but this season is going to be harder to judge). He isn't a top 10 centre let a lone a top 5 player. MacKinnon, Matthews, Eichel, Barkov, Petterson, Schiefele, Crosby, McDavid are all definitely better than Draisaitl unless you only look at points. Which as you mentioned, isn't everything. All of these guys have better 200 foot games or are just better offensively (McDavid). I would be surprised if Draisaitl was a point per game if McDavid wasn't on his team. He's a good player, but his stats are definitely inflated because of McDavid.

Scheifeli and barkov are not better than draisaitl. Draisaitl is better when he’s away from Mcdavid.

He isn't, if that was the case he would have far more points than he does and McDavid would have less. He had a 110 point season last year and was a minus player. He has McDavid on the ice for over half his points but people say this. I think last year it was something like 75% of Draisaitl's, points happened with McDavid on the ice.

First half is with Mcdavid, 2nd half is without. Draisaitl defense improved after he started to center his own line and he was still at a PPG pace.

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Keep using that narrative all you want. It's completely off base and ridiculous. Is he a better player because of McDavid? Absolutely. Just as McDavid is a better player because of Draisaitl.

In 45 games without mcdavid last season, Draisaitl was at a PPG pace while playing much better defensively. When Mcdavid suffered an injury and was out for 6 games, Draisaitl carried the team and put up 12 puts in 6 games. Not a top 10 center though..

It's really a useless debate when things like this are said. There's no merit behind a statement like that haha. Just some fan who can't look at things objectively.

It will probably take a full season for other fanbases to realize he doesn’t need Mcdavid and is actually a better player without him.

Other players are better when they play with other great players ? What a concept...

Unless they're Maple Leafs. I've seen multiple people on here claim that guys like Nylander and Marner aren't good because they play with high-quality centres instead of fourth liners.

I've definitely seen it to discredit McDavid/Draisaitl, too.

It's such a moronic thing to say. They're on a line with good players because THEY ARE ALSO GOOD PLAYERS. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

It was a small sample size and still a tonne of points coming on the PP and with McDavid on the ice. He centres his own line but still plays a lot of minutes with McDavid.

What small sample size? In 532 minutes without Mcdavid he had very good defensive metrics. He did not play with Mcdavid much in the 2nd half other than the PP. draisiatl is a better player without Mcdavid, he has a higher xGF% and GF%. Top 10 center without a doubt.

McDavid dominates no matter who he is with, which is why Kassian got his deal. This is the classic black and white convo. I am saying Draisaitl is a really good player but he isn't a top 5 player and you are hearing he's crap. No one is saying that. Just temper your feelings on this. He is still really good but he definitely isn't as good as people like to think he is.

He was a negative at xGF% last season.

Draisaitl with Mcdavid : 47.11 xGF%

Draisaitl without Mcdavid: 51.93 xGF%

Draisaitl with Mcdavid : 48.57 GF%

Draisaitl without Mcdavid: 55.32 GF%

Give it up already, draisatl is a top 10 center who performs better WITHOUT Mcdavid.

Are you an Oiler fan now? Just gave up on the Islanders so you are dying on the Draisaitl is the best player in the world hill?

Hahah that’s the type of answer I expect from you because you know that the advanced stats prove draisaitl is a top 10 C

Maybe, I don't really have a problem calling him a top 10 centre. I argue he isn't a top 5 player though, I think there are several guys better than him.