Think you kinda showed what’s so bad about this with the last, “trade.”

Also, lets get kevan miller off the first pair please and thank you.

I don't think you paid enough for Ekholm.... to the predators...

If you are going to lose Gryz anyways, why not just include him in the preds trade. I think something could be had there. Take out Bjork and sub in Gryz instead and there might be something to work with.

Or just don’t do it at all.

I’d rather have grizz than ekholm

Maybe long term? But there's no question who the better defenseman is. It makes some sense given the core is aging and there might be a need for a final push. I have seen over time that the bruins fanbase here is pretty resistant to change. I'm not watching these games as frequently as you guys, of course, but I can't help but see the age of the core climb. If this is a piece for one final hardcore push, I don't think its too much to pay or unreasonable.

All remains hypothetical tho

Ekholm is the better player now in my opinion, but its a razor thin margin.
Then factor in the contract, grizz is the way to go.
Then look at the trade in reality being Kase, Bjork, Grzelcyk and a first, and it’s just a horrid concept.

Including gryz would be fine with me, but just wondering what you would do with bjork. Also, who gets picked in the expansion draft?

The 1st is a good starting point, but I can't see NSH having much interest in taking Bjork or Kase. Preds decline.

I didn't notice Miller on the first pairing, ill fix that

What do you think they would want? Studnicka is a non-starter

That’s honestly the least of your concerns. Moving for ekholm just to lose grzelcyk is an unmitigated disaster.

Berglund and another pick? RD is probably the weakest area of NSH's prospect pool. Not sure how much BOS values Berglund - especially given they arguably have the worst prospect pool in the league - but he looks like he could be the kind of offensive defenseman that excels in NSH's system.

EW what is the Moore thing? Certainly isnt a trade
What r u doing mate?

What do you actually think you're getting something for him? You have to pay to get rid of him.

This is a deadline deal if the B's defense sucks. Its a just in case type of thing. Who else is Seattle taking in an expansion draft.

How high of a pick? A first? So, you're saying Berglund, a pick, AND a first, or just a first and Berglund?

this one was an accident

Bjork or something. Grzelcyk would protected.

Yeah, a 1st, another pick (2nd or conditional 2nd), and Berglund. I think the Muzzin trade is good framework for an Ekholm deal, as Ekholm and Muzzin are very comparable defensemen. The Leafs gave up a 1st and two recent 2nd round picks for a rental Muzzin. I don't love the prospects LA got, but those are the guys LA wanted, and they both still had more potential than they do now. BOS would be getting a full extra season of Ekholm's bargain contract, that TOR didn't get with Muzzin.

I would not be protecting a player who is being payed 3m to get his bones crunched every game. That being said, I wouldn't protect bjork either.

I think a really strong argument could be made that grzelcyk has more value than ekholm. I would prefer to have grzelcyk over ekholm for sure.

Can I ask your reasoning on this?

First off, he is not a cap dump, I was being sarcastic.
You do realize the bruins had too much LHD depth last year, AND he was hurt for half of it...
He is a top 6 LHD on a top 6 LHD contract (albiet a heavy one, but thats why he is gonna fetch a 6th or 7th at best.)...
HOWEVER: If you are SO INCLINED to make him a cap dump, it would be beyond crazy to make it any more than Moore and a 6th for a 7th.

Thats why.
Bruins wouldnt give up any more than a 5th for someone to take him. They would rather keep him with the cap space they have and let him expire. Or they would just buy him out at worst.

Yeah, I get he isn't on the worst contract ever. Not like Backes' horrid 6 mill contract, but in this cap environment, every little bit counts. That 2-3 mill of cap space becomes 4-5 mill. I highly doubt many teams will want to add a 6th or 7th D for 2 mill. Those are guys im paying 1 mill for. Obviously, he's a 6th or 7th to us because they're playing the kids and he has no real use. However, yes, he could be of some use to a team like Pittsburgh or Winnipeg, who lack defense, or want defense. He could fetch a 7th rounder at most. I honestly don't WANT to pay to get rid of him, but sometimes teams that don't have the flexibility might need a little more convincing. This is only an armchair GM thread afterall.

Exactly. And then my other problem is when people try to do something like Moore and a 2nd for a 7th. Its like, no. If you WANT to make him a cap dump, do Moore and a 6th for a 7th to be realistic. but people are clouded by their biases sometimes

Yeah, maybe a 3rd is a bit much for nothing in return. A 2nd is definitely too much.