The nmc

Yep, I don’t think it would be a problem with Lucic waiving and coming back to the states. He fits in with Sid, Geno and Letangs timeline to go for another cup too. Even though his over 30 years old slide has been very dramatic. Tanev would waive to play with his brother maybe..lol. Tanev’s is a modified NTC too. Who knows the teams he has listed on there.

I’d hard pass on any trade involving lucic

Lol. I think his style would fit well with Geno. I’m wrong a lot though!! Lol.

Lucic, Bennett for Tanev, Joseph, 4th, 5th

You've done some "oh boy" AGMs, but this one is probably the biggest. Lucic is HUGE negative value. Potentially the worst in the entire league. Top 3 for sure. Tanev is not even in the ballpark of bad contracts, IF you consider his contract bad (remember that there was a 5 team "bidding war" for Tanev which is why his contract is what it is, and he had a great season last year which would only have increased his value). Tanev, 4th, 5th is still overpay. Before the buyout, Johnson, 4th, 5th was more in line.

There is literally ZERO reason for Joseph to be in that deal.

I do not want Lucic at all, but going with your deal:
Lucic, Bennett, 2nd for Tanev
Lucic ($2M ret), Bennett for Tanev

I’m a tanev fan!! Has had Selke votes the last two years. That proves right there he’s a great defensive forward. But his term isn’t great. Long contract. And I just don’t see where PO-Jospeh fits now with Matheson. Not saying we should just dump him. He’s a top 100 prospect, NHL ready.

Bennett is just a former 4th overall pick with potential still. I think Calgary miss uses him just like they did with Janko.

You have to give something up to get something. Like Kappy. A 1st round pick and a “C+”, “B-“ prospect, our 4th-5th best prospect in our system. Like Sprong for Pettersson. Everyone thought that was an overpay at the time too. Sprong was the prospect with all the potential.

I think Lucic is a good fit on Geno’s line. And fits the timeline of the Pens and Sid, Geno and Letang chasing another cup. I could see the Flames retaining 1M-1.25M for the 3 years left on his contract in this deal though. You are probably right. And Lucic looks a lot better at 4.25M per or 4M per.

Yes, I think he is a camp dump for them. They would have to assets if they were just trading him and not taking back any significant contracts in return.

I would love to see what this team could do for the next 2-3 years. With Poulin and O’Connor still able to step in for Lucic, McCann or Janko if they struggle.

You are just dumping him though. I didn't say hold onto Joseph no matter the return, I said that there is zero reason to include him in this trade.


Where he was picked is not relevant as that was in 2014 and there are things called "busts" ever year. Bennett is an NHL caliber player, but he is nothing more than a 4th line banger, but more than a step below Tanev, as Tanev is better defensively and a better skater. He is not misused, he is just not what he was projected to be.


Granted, but you are giving up something for nothing. Nothing coming from Calgary in this trade compares to Kapanen. Sprong was a bust when he was traded to Anaheim and anyone that did mot than regurgitate bloggers knew that. Sprong for a 5th would have been good value for the Penguins.


You commented on Tanev's term being a negative, but Lucic still has 3 years left and will be older when it ends than Tanev will be when his ends. And again, Tanev's caontract ($ and term) are becasue other teams wanted him too. No one wants Lucic at $5.25M, not even at $4M. The debate about Lucic being good with Malkin is a subject of it's own, but Lucic is slow as mud, and his hands vanished in 2016. I do not know why you think that he would work. Also, the original AGM didn't have any retention, so adding $1.25M retention isn't the same thing. Not enough at all, but not the same thing.

The more that I think about it, the more I think that my two suggestions (Lucic, Bennett, 2nd for Tanev -or- Lucic ($2M ret), Bennett for Tanev) are still bad for the Pens... but Tanev, Joseph, 4th, 5th for them with no retention is simply horrible for the Penguins.

Ok, I’m gonna keep writing the same sh*t in different ways. I disagree. Just your opinion. I don’t agree. Fine though!!

It totally matters where a player was drafted though. It’s a part of their value. Even for 4-5 years into the league, when they are still young. Tell any GM, a draft position doesn’t matter..lol. It screams potential and says 31 other GM’s and scouts also believe this guys has talent and can be a valuable player for your organization. And the team used value/resources to acquire that player. They want to get value in return. It does matter.