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Créé par: Silkysmooth42
Équipe: 2020-21 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 11 juill. 2020
Publié: 11 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Instead of commenting on each post ill just do it here:

IF they are going to make a stab at Boeser, the offer will absolutely include but not be limited to Kase.
If they get Boeser, Kase will just be a waste of cap space (considering they arent playing him on the 3rd line)
So lets just start with that.

Also, they will not give up Vaak or Stud. They are the best two prospects in the system, and for a team who needs to move him to make space for players, "beggers cant be choosers". Its not gonna lower his value MUCH, but they certainly arent getting that piece from the bruins

So if you are missing Kase
or are including Stud/Urho, just be cautious

In saying that: I am gonna start with an overpay to make sure im not called a "homer" etc lol
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Again this is definitely a major overpay, but id rather do that than be called biased lol
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12 juill. 2020 à 10 h 15
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Boeser and Eriksson are probably going to be packaged together, Only 2 teams can afford both combined and that's Detroit and Ottawa.
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12 juill. 2020 à 11 h 48
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I would absolutely offer Vaakanainen and Bjork with a 1st to start the conversation. Then see what else Vancouver would want. Boeser is worth a lot but not Carlo nor McAvoy for Sweeney.
12 juill. 2020 à 14 h 32
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Not really, again check my new post it explains it perfectly.

They are literally the same player at different positions in every way. Role, Upside, Cap, and thus Value



Carlo ceiling is a stay at home top #2/3 D. Boeser right now is already a 60-70 point winger and could probably get to 70-80 points. I’ll take the upside Boeser provides over Carlo and I’m sure most people on this website would as well. Again, it’s not a knock on Carlo. But after the awful Larsson for Hall trade, even though Carlo/Boeser is more fair, it still makes more sense to keep the guy with higher upside.
12 juill. 2020 à 16 h 55
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Quoting: mhockey91
Carlo ceiling is a stay at home top #2/3 D. Boeser right now is already a 60-70 point winger and could probably get to 70-80 points. I’ll take the upside Boeser provides over Carlo and I’m sure most people on this website would as well. Again, it’s not a knock on Carlo. But after the awful Larsson for Hall trade, even though Carlo/Boeser is more fair, it still makes more sense to keep the guy with higher upside.


Boeser has a 'pace' each of his 3 main seasons suggesting 60-70 points.
Can't stay healthy enough to get there however and that's a major issue.
Moreover, add the flat Cap land set upon the NHL and his soon to be pay raise into US$7/8+Mil is gonna hurt. A lot.
Hence the trade rumours!!
Carlo has more "value" in a COVID-induced world of the NHL...
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12 juill. 2020 à 16 h 56
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Boeser and Eriksson are probably going to be packaged together, Only 2 teams can afford both combined and that's Detroit and Ottawa.


If thats how it is thats how it is!

Just was tryna make one if the canucks didnt wanna limit their options to that
12 juill. 2020 à 17 h 1
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Carlo ceiling is a stay at home top #2/3 D. Boeser right now is already a 60-70 point winger and could probably get to 70-80 points. I’ll take the upside Boeser provides over Carlo and I’m sure most people on this website would as well. Again, it’s not a knock on Carlo. But after the awful Larsson for Hall trade, even though Carlo/Boeser is more fair, it still makes more sense to keep the guy with higher upside.


Quoting: McGruff
Boeser has a 'pace' each of his 3 main seasons suggesting 60-70 points.
Can't stay healthy enough to get there however and that's a major issue.
Moreover, add the flat Cap land set upon the NHL and his soon to be pay raise into US$7/8+Mil is gonna hurt. A lot.
Hence the trade rumours!!
Carlo has more "value" in a COVID-induced world of the NHL...


@McGruff is more right here

Again, I DONT THINK he is more valuable, but IFFFF you had to choose one: its gonna be the say at home dman on the better contract now that will be on the better contract in 3 years.

Also yeah to say he doesnt have as much upside is just ignorant of trends: just because Carlo wasnt a 1st rounder like Boeser doesnt mean he has less upside. Thats like saying Jamie Drysdale cant have huge upside because he is a defensive dman (or so im being told). or that someone like Carter Hart or Alex Debrincat have hit their cap as 2nd rounders
12 juill. 2020 à 17 h 13
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@McGruff is more right here

Again, I DONT THINK he is more valuable, but IFFFF you had to choose one: its gonna be the say at home dman on the better contract now that will be on the better contract in 3 years.

Also yeah to say he doesnt have as much upside is just ignorant of trends: just because Carlo wasnt a 1st rounder like Boeser doesnt mean he has less upside. Thats like saying Jamie Drysdale cant have huge upside because he is a defensive dman (or so im being told). or that someone like Carter Hart or Alex Debrincat have hit their cap as 2nd rounders


Quoting: McGruff
Boeser has a 'pace' each of his 3 main seasons suggesting 60-70 points.
Can't stay healthy enough to get there however and that's a major issue.
Moreover, add the flat Cap land set upon the NHL and his soon to be pay raise into US$7/8+Mil is gonna hurt. A lot.
Hence the trade rumours!!
Carlo has more "value" in a COVID-induced world of the NHL...


Carlo is literally the right handed version of Marcus Petterson and you don't see pens fans suggesting a trade of him for Boeser. Carlo is also due for a pay raise in 2 seasons which will probably bring him to a $4-5 million dollar AAV. Boeser will obviously get more but thats because he's worth more. Again, its not a knock on Carlo. I think hes a good top 4 D. But he doesn't have the upside of Boeser. As for Drysdale, hes an excellent two way defender with way more offensive instinct that Carlo. Carlo will never score more than 35 points and thats okay because its not his role to provide scoring. Drysdale is an excellent skater and hes often been compared to Cale Makar in draft comparisons. im not saying Carlo doesn't have upside because of his draft position. Im saying he doesn't have upside because of his playing style. If boston drafted Carlo 13th overall id still be saying the same thing.

could a straight up trade of Boeser for Carlo happen? sure. Because GM's make mistakes. But boston would be walking away with a great return
12 juill. 2020 à 18 h 43
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Carlo is literally the right handed version of Marcus Petterson and you don't see pens fans suggesting a trade of him for Boeser. Carlo is also due for a pay raise in 2 seasons which will probably bring him to a $4-5 million dollar AAV. Boeser will obviously get more but thats because he's worth more. Again, its not a knock on Carlo. I think hes a good top 4 D. But he doesn't have the upside of Boeser. As for Drysdale, hes an excellent two way defender with way more offensive instinct that Carlo. Carlo will never score more than 35 points and thats okay because its not his role to provide scoring. Drysdale is an excellent skater and hes often been compared to Cale Makar in draft comparisons. im not saying Carlo doesn't have upside because of his draft position. Im saying he doesn't have upside because of his playing style. If boston drafted Carlo 13th overall id still be saying the same thing.

could a straight up trade of Boeser for Carlo happen? sure. Because GM's make mistakes. But boston would be walking away with a great return


I'll agree to disagree.
Boeser is a scorer and yeah I'd like to see him on my team...

But situationally, he's getting all the looks in VAN (1st liner/PP#1 etc.).

In BOS, he would be slotted behind Pasta 100%.
See second duty on the PP and thus not be earning the pay raise progression he's projected to get.
Now a DeBrusk-Krejci-Boeser line is sweet looking; but DK is UFA next year and if he goes BOS has taken up key 'capital' in a oft-injured RW when the over-arching need just 1Y-out could be #2C (those are rare as Kenny Rogers' hen's teeth).

- BB will be on an island -

Additionally, in BB's 3-yrs he's gone/going the wrong way...
29G > 26G > 16G...
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12 juill. 2020 à 20 h 28
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Quoting: mhockey91
Carlo is literally the right handed version of Marcus Petterson and you don't see pens fans suggesting a trade of him for Boeser. Carlo is also due for a pay raise in 2 seasons which will probably bring him to a $4-5 million dollar AAV. Boeser will obviously get more but thats because he's worth more. Again, its not a knock on Carlo. I think hes a good top 4 D. But he doesn't have the upside of Boeser. As for Drysdale, hes an excellent two way defender with way more offensive instinct that Carlo. Carlo will never score more than 35 points and thats okay because its not his role to provide scoring. Drysdale is an excellent skater and hes often been compared to Cale Makar in draft comparisons. im not saying Carlo doesn't have upside because of his draft position. Im saying he doesn't have upside because of his playing style. If boston drafted Carlo 13th overall id still be saying the same thing.

could a straight up trade of Boeser for Carlo happen? sure. Because GM's make mistakes. But boston would be walking away with a great return


Oooooooof...

Yeah and Boeser is the Right handed version on Anders Bjork lololol
12 juill. 2020 à 22 h 9
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Oooooooof...

Yeah and Boeser is the Right handed version on Anders Bjork lololol


Look at all the underlying metrics between the two. They are very similar. Petterson is extremely underrated but once again Boston bias shines.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/brandon.holmes#!/vizhome/NHLIMPACTComparisonCharts/IMPACTCharts
12 juill. 2020 à 23 h 34
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Look at all the underlying metrics between the two. They are very similar. Petterson is extremely underrated but once again Boston bias shines.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/brandon.holmes#!/vizhome/NHLIMPACTComparisonCharts/IMPACTCharts


lol not at all. I literally have no bias dude i dont care, just tryna be realistc
13 juill. 2020 à 0 h 20
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lol not at all. I literally have no bias dude i dont care, just tryna be realistc


Well saying they’re not comparable when I provided facts proving they are just proves you’re either bias or uniformed of the penguins roster but hey you do you
 
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