Did Ray Shero Make Any Bad Trades In Pittsburgh

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Quoting: pharrow

"MAF was abolustely horrendous for 3-4 straight playoffs with absolutely stacked Pens rosters."

^ this right here is why MAF is in Vegas and the penguins play Murray

what's your point? I honestly think Murray is just as good if not better than MAF.
The Pens did not have bad teams throughout those 3-4 years. In fact, I'd even say those teams were even better than our current lineup today.
MAF picked up his game afterwards and played extremely well when he was splitting with Murray in the playoffs.

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As good as the Neal trade was(and it was absolute robbery) the Staal trade you could argue was even better. Sutter turned into Bonino and him Dumoulin were huge in their cup runs!

We have GMJR to thank for Bonino though

Dumo is the best piece from that trade imo
He's the best and most consistent defender on the Pens roster

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Shero has been absolutely killing it in NJ.

30 juill. 2019 à 11 h 52

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Shero served that one up on a platter and Rutherford took advantage of it.

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Shero served that one up on a platter and Rutherford took advantage of it.

Shero wouldn't have signed JJ or Tanev at those terms

30 juill. 2019 à 12 h 1

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True that. As good as JR was during the cup runs he has matched that with stupidity the last couple years.

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30 juill. 2019 à 12 h 6

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The Staal Trade was so important because of the trade tree it started. Sutter got flipped for Bonino and Clendenning was part of the Hagelin Trade.

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"MAF was abolustely horrendous for 3-4 straight playoffs with absolutely stacked Pens rosters."

^ this right here is why MAF is in Vegas and the penguins play Murray

You really shouldn’t be hating on Fleury. Yes, he had his lousy playoff runs but before 2012 and after 2014, he played really well. The Penguins lost him in the expansion draft because Murray was sensational, a young goalie who backstopped the team to 2 cups. If they didn’t have Murray, no doubt in my mind they would keep Fleury over DeSmith in the expansion draft.

30 juill. 2019 à 12 h 16

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I think Shero's best moments came when he was able to get "throw-in" players in these deals (Dupuis, Niskanen, etc.) that ended up being stars in their own right

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I don’t think the Penguins defense is that bad, only Johnson is the main concern. Honestly, I feel Evgeni Malkin will have the most impact on the team’s fate next season. If he bounces back and stays consistent by putting up 90-100 points, the Penguins will be a force to be reckoned with. If he continues to decline, the team will suffer.

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I think Shero's best moments came when he was able to get "throw-in" players in these deals (Dupuis, Niskanen, etc.) that ended up being stars in their own right

Don’t forget Niskanen finished top 10 in Norris voting in 2014. Heck of a defenseman who started off on the third pair. Kind of reminds of Schultz.

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Quoting: pharrow

"MAF was abolustely horrendous for 3-4 straight playoffs with absolutely stacked Pens rosters."

^ this right here is why MAF is in Vegas and the penguins play Murray

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Quoting: Hissam87

As good as the Neal trade was(and it was absolute robbery) the Staal trade you could argue was even better. Sutter turned into Bonino and him Dumoulin were huge in their cup runs!

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The Staal Trade was so important because of the trade tree it started. Sutter got flipped for Bonino and Clendenning was part of the Hagelin Trade.

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The Staal Trade was so important because of the trade tree it started. Sutter got flipped for Bonino and Clendenning was part of the Hagelin Trade.

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I think Shero's best moments came when he was able to get "throw-in" players in these deals (Dupuis, Niskanen, etc.) that ended up being stars in their own right

Honestly I don’t think Shero was the reason why the Penguins didn’t win a cup from 2012-14 when they had loaded rosters. Those years it was honestly their cup to lose, and they lost it. One reason was due to Fleury’s big playoff pressure but the biggest problem was Bylsma. His stretch pass, dump and chase physical system didn’t fit the players on the team and it showed. He was just another stubborn man who refused to change his ways after winning the cup. Honestly if he coached even a tiny bit more competently, Crosby would have 6 cups instead of 3 and there would be no debate that he’s better than Toews!

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Fleury’s playoff meltdowns costed this franchise so many chances. There’s no reason they shouldn’t have won 2-3 cups between 09 and the lockout year. The league was still so far behind to the point that deploying Crosby, Malkin, and Staal on different lines was like playing chess when everyone else was playing checkers...all they needed were the right depth pieces which they had.

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Fleury’s playoff meltdowns costed this franchise so many chances. There’s no reason they shouldn’t have won 2-3 cups between 09 and the lockout year.

For me, 2011 was the biggest disappointment. That was Sidney Crosby at his absolute peak! The hit from David Steckel was an extremely blatant, dirty and intentional elbow to the head. The puck was no where in play and we all know he was never the same afterward. Not to mention Evgeni Malkin got his knee torn from a reckless play by Tyler Myers.

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I honestly believe that if Crosby, Malkin, and Staal stayed healthy and Fleury remained somewhat competent they could have won 3 in 4 years between 09-12.

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I honestly believe that if Crosby, Malkin, and Staal stayed healthy and Fleury remained somewhat competent they could have won 3 in 4 years between 09-12.

Without a doubt.

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I honestly believe that if Crosby, Malkin, and Staal stayed healthy and Fleury remained somewhat competent they could have won 3 in 4 years between 09-12.

Sid and Geno at their best we’re absolutely unmatchable, in my opinion that duo was even better than Kane and Toews. What’d you think?

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Sid and Geno at their best we’re absolutely unmatchable, in my opinion that duo was even better than Kane and Toews. What’d you think?

I think regardless of Cups or whatever Sid and Geno were better than Toews and Kane. There’s really never been any debate in my opinion.

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I think regardless of Cups or whatever Sid and Geno were better than Toews and Kane. There’s really never been any debate in my opinion.

I agree. Do you think Sid & Geno will be better than Matthews & Tavares?

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