Terrible move for PIT. McCabe is decent but it shouldn’t have to cost Rust. Hornqvist maybe.

I think Rust is packaged in order to move Johnson rather than to actually acquire McCabe.

Bingo and Hornqvist is better than Rust. Rust honestly brought down a lot of his teammates last year

Nobody is willing to admit Rust’s shortcomings because of how well he did during the two cup runs. People believe that he’s above criticism and above getting traded.

I have been working on something similar but Buffalo cant take on that much-Rust, yes, but not both.

I feel like Buffalo will have more cap space than people expect because Bogosian will most likely start the year on LTIR and Hunwick will be buried in the minors.

if that is the case then I guess it would work but why would they take JJ? just to get Rust??

Rust carries a good bit of value...I feel like it’s ideal to package someone of his caliber in order to get rid of JJ.

I think you aren't willing to recognize he put in 18 goals last year.
He has value, he's a good player. He's fast, plays defense, hits. He's a solid guy out there on the ice. He also does the dirty work of fetching pucks and PK.
He's a solid guy that most people want to trade out for nothing because they refuse to recognize what he brings to the ice.
Meanwhile they build up a player like Simon who couldn't find the back of the net if they extended it to the size of the back wall.

I’m not saying he’s a bad player at all I’m trying to say that if you try to move JJ out Rust is the guy you package with him. He has a lot of value to a lot of teams and also serves as a cap dump in a sense so it’s the perfect storm. I believe that people are too attached to him when it comes to the idea of packaging him into a trade.

Rust is not a cap dump. and he's not the one you package JJ with.
I don't know why you want to call him a cap dump. People who dump in 18 goals are not cap dumps. His salary is on par with what players with his production make.
You want to package jj with someone try Jarry, or Simon or a late round pick.

I think the most ideal scenario is packaging JJ, Jarry, and a 2nd to somewhere like Detroit for a pick just to be rid of him and be done with it.

I think that's too much. You don't need to send all of that. If a team needs LD who are they going to get and come play. The market is bare. Even if JJ isn't the best LD in the league the question is, is he better than what is left aka available. And the answer to that is probably yes.

You’re right...there was a rumor that teams were offering PIT a 6th round pick for him early in the summer. I think a lot of penguins fans including myself are overthinking the process of potentially getting rid of him. He might be terrible in PIT but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be able to help any of the other 30 teams in this league.

I get that you guys don’t like Rust and he was inconsistent for the majority of last season, but he put up 18 goals, if you want to trade him you have to get more value back. He should warrant a top 4 right handed defenseman in return like Manson or Pesce.

Yeah but if I make a suggestion like that on this site I’d get fried for it lmao

I disagree that JJ is better than the remaining left handed defensemen option on the Penguins. Joseph is far better than him, he’s a quick skater with great agility and puck moving abilities, plus he is defensively sound. JJ doesn’t fit the team and if he plays another minute under Sully’s system then they will finish dead last. Riikola is also better than him.

If people think Kapanen is worth Pesce or Mason, surely Rust is worth more than that!

You’re right...a top 4 RHD with term would be so clutch for this team especially with Schultz’s contract expiring.

It would be awesome but sadly seems unlikely. I can see the pairings in 2020-21 something like this:

Dumoulin-Letang
Pettersson-Gudbranson
Joseph-Addison/Riikola

that isn't even the argument I was making.
For a team that needs help at LD and has no one. Who else are they going to get?
You got Jake Gardiner who has back issues and wants a ton of money and term. Then you got nothing.