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Quoting: Jangle29

Actually hes close to it. He has an elite 2 way game and is the best 5 on 5 goal scorer since he entered the league. That would be hard to not pout him in the top 5

Exactly, Matthews is already better than Malkin at his best.

18 juill. 2019 à 18 h 43

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Hmmm you’re way of speaking and almost word for word comparison seems eerily similar to that of BRANDONDUBINSKYGOAT.

Just saying.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/252446

Scroll down for the comment.

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18 juill. 2019 à 18 h 43

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Quoting: Jangle29

Actually hes close to it. He has an elite 2 way game and is the best 5 on 5 goal scorer since he entered the league. That would be hard to not pout him in the top 5

Close to top 5.. sure close. Not close to mcdavid like seriously..?

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18 juill. 2019 à 18 h 44

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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey

Exactly, Matthews is already better than Malkin at his best.

Well now you are comparing a player who has yet to leave the 1st round to a stanley cup MVP. There are no stats to show the value of elevating your game in big games.
I am a huge Matthews fan but i think right now he is a top 4-6 player in the league

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18 juill. 2019 à 18 h 46

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He was doing a radio show with me on our website.

18 juill. 2019 à 18 h 47

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Quoting: Jangle29

Matthews has more even strength goals than Malkin in the last 3 seasons.

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Quoting: Plumber

this guy is a legitimate psychopath. it's one thing to disagree with someone's takes, it's another to parrot them constantly for weeks trying to get a rise out of people, then pretending to be that person.

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Quoting: Cheddamonkey37

Close to top 5.. sure close. Not close to mcdavid like seriously..?

Overall creating offense Mcdavid blows Matthews away. But pure goal scoring Matthews is better, and everything else involving a defensive game Matthews is better.
But the gap in just overall offense is too much. I mean Mcdavid is the best offensive player in the league and its not even close.
Crosby is still IMO the best player though, you cannot find something he is not elite at

18 juill. 2019 à 18 h 49

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Quoting: Jangle29

Matthews has more even strength goals than crosby over the last 3 seasons.

18 juill. 2019 à 18 h 49

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Quoting: mondo

Nylander is better than Marner. Sorry that you disagree. I have already explained everything in the bio for this team.

18 juill. 2019 à 18 h 50

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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey

Matthews has more even strength goals than crosby over the last 3 seasons.

You keep saying one single fact though and we all hear it. There is not a GM in the league who would take Matthews over Crosby at a similar age

18 juill. 2019 à 18 h 57

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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey

Nylander is better than Marner. Sorry that you disagree. I have already explained everything in the bio for this team.

Sure Billy Beane, lets see Dubas ship Marner off for Sheary or less than & watch mathematics work it’s thing.

Maybe we will win a championship like the Oakland Athletics under his tenure, oh wait!

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18 juill. 2019 à 19 h 3

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Quoting: Jangle29

Actually hes close to it. He has an elite 2 way game and is the best 5 on 5 goal scorer since he entered the league. That would be hard to not pout him in the top 5

His two way game is currently mediocre and it is really holding him back. His goal scoring is off the charts but he seems to lose interest if he is playing with Hyman, Brown, Kapanen, etc.

18 juill. 2019 à 19 h 6

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His two way game is currently mediocre and it is really holding him back. His goal scoring is off the charts but he seems to lose interest if he is playing with Hyman, Brown, Kapanen, etc.

No its not lol he was insane during the Bruins series. Kapanen and Johnsson are complete trash defensively and he made that line respectable. He controls the puck the whole time when hes on the ice

18 juill. 2019 à 19 h 14

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Quoting: Jangle29

Top 4-6 is a big reach. Top 15-20, sure.

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18 juill. 2019 à 19 h 16

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No its not lol he was insane during the Bruins series. Kapanen and Johnsson are complete trash defensively and he made that line respectable. He controls the puck the whole time when hes on the ice

He was better in the playoffs but he got really lazy during the regular season. He has it in him but my guess is he has a problem with Babcock, some of his linemates, and his usage.

18 juill. 2019 à 19 h 19

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Top 4-6 is a big reach. Top 15-20, sure.

Thats ridiculous. Name 15-20 players you would pick to start a team before him

18 juill. 2019 à 19 h 21

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He was better in the playoffs but he got really lazy during the regular season. He has it in him but my guess is he has a problem with Babcock, some of his linemates, and his usage.

I think he was still somewhat bothered by his busted shoulder but ya he has times during the season he was not engaged. But they all did it at some points. Tavares started a bit slow, Marner has long stretches near the end where he scored at a 50 pt pace, Nylander was terrible for the first month or so. Matthews needs to be an 82 game players this season

18 juill. 2019 à 19 h 39

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I forgot about the injuries. By year 3 of his contract we'll all know why they offered it to him.

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Thats ridiculous. Name 15-20 players you would pick to start a team before him

I'm not talking about potential. Right now, going into next year and looking at last year it is easy to pick 15 better players.
McDavid, Crosby, Malkin, Bergeron, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Barkov, Tavares, Stamkos, Point?, Kane, Kucherov , Stone, Ovechkin, Gaudreau, Marchand, Pastrnak. And that's without D and goalies.

On a one year at a time basis, as opposed to based on potential, he has a long ways to go before he is one of the top 5 players in the game.

18 juill. 2019 à 19 h 49

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I forgot about the injuries. By year 3 of his contract we'll all know why they offered it to him.

I'm not talking about potential. Right now, going into next year and looking at last year it is easy to pick 15 better players.
McDavid, Crosby, Malkin, Bergeron, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Barkov, Tavares, Stamkos, Point?, Kane, Kucherov , Stone, Ovechkin, Gaudreau, Marchand, Pastrnak. And that's without D and goalies.

On a one year at a time basis, as opposed to based on potential, he has a long ways to go before he is one of the top 5 players in the game.

I think next year out of your list
McDavid, Crosby, Bergeron, MacKinnon, Barkov, Tavares, Kucherov are the only forwards to argue are better than him that puts him at 8. Hard to add goalies and dmen in now that I think about it

18 juill. 2019 à 19 h 58

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Quoting: Jangle29

He should shoot way up the list. If he and Nylander reconnect and they have a winger like Johnsson as well, could be one of the best lines in hockey.

18 juill. 2019 à 20 h 20

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Quoting: RahefIssaLeafsHockey

I disagree. In ice hockey, nothing beats advanced stats and possession metrics because they provide straight facts. I am someone who’s played competitive ice hockey for a decade, but even I know that. Factors such as the eye test and basic stats for example points per game are not an accurate way to assess talent and skill.

Says the same person who uses even strength goals to support his argument in the opening paragraph of the description of this thread.

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18 juill. 2019 à 22 h 9

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Quoting: Jangle29

You keep saying one single fact though and we all hear it. There is not a GM in the league who would take Matthews over Crosby at a similar age

Auston Matthews has already surpassed Sidney Crosby at his peak. Sorry that I hurt your feelings but the numbers don’t lie. Matthews has scored more even strength goals and a higher shooting percentage. He has a greater goals per 60 and his linemates all see a greater goals per 60 playing with him. Plus Matthews’ Corsi possession metrics are better.

18 juill. 2019 à 22 h 9

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Quoting: gmurrayt

Says the same person who uses even strength goals to support his argument in the opening paragraph of the description of this thread.

Even strength goals are the most important and valuable type of point earned.

18 juill. 2019 à 22 h 12

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