Is Carlo new Pesce now ? Not to mention the return....again.....

They're both really solid Dmen who could really help out the leafs D core

ya, but here is what happens when the leafs make that offer. Sweeney hangs up the phone on Dubas, and calls Gary Bettman. He does this to tell Bettman that someone has hacked the maple leafs system, and maybe has kidnapped Dubas, because that is far more believable than an NHL GM actually offering that pile of crap for Brandon Carlo.

That offer is bad, ridiculously bad. What could possibly make you think that would have a .00000000000000000001% chance of being accepted?

What if they added a couple more pieces from the AHL that kind of match Bracco's skill level?

What's wrong with the return? You're not giving up any high picks or either of Liljegren or Sandin for a solid defenseman, that's a huge win.

That being said I don't know why Boston would do this.

My point exactly...you dont get 3M 22y RHDs for scraps and late round picks.....

lol. I hate when people say lol, but I am actually laughing outloud at that statement. Let's think about this for a second.

The bruins are clearly stanley cup contenders. They're in the final now, and the team will likely be pretty much the same next year. So, if the Bruins are making a trade, they're going to make a trade to get better now. Immediately. You are asking them to give up their 2nd best d man at 5 on 5, they're best shut down d man, and a guy that is relied upon for 22 minutes a night. oh, AND HE'S TWENTY TWO YEARS OLD!!!!! AHL guys? That's what you're offering. Seriously? Want Brandon Carlo? Make an offer that makes the Bruins better immediately. Short of Mitch Marner, I don't think there's something the leafs can give to get him. AHL players and bad draft picks are an absolute joke of an offer.

he's saying the bruins are getting a laughably bad return I assume. There is no possible other way to interpret this.

Why would Boston give up on a young controllable asset for spare parts? If the Leafs want Carlo in order to start the conversation it is going to have to be Kapanen or Johnsson.

Yeah that's what I was thinking as well.

it would have to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than Kapanen or Johnsson.

Yup agreed, my bad I misinterpreted your original comment

Yep, proly Marner and a 1st....and so we went from normal convo into overvaluating own players...which is so tipical for TML fans only.....

I mentioned in a previous post that short of Marner, I don't think the leafs could get it done. However I didn't say I think that is fair, obviously the concept is absurd. To get Carlo from the Bruins, you have to make them an offer that make the Bruins better right away. They are clearly in a cup contending window, so if it doesn't make them better, why do they make the trade. Taking Carlo out of the lineup and putting Kapanen in makes them worse. Hell, Carlo out and Johnsson AND kapanen in makes them worse. I think that's really obvious, Carlo has been such a monster for the Bruins in this playoff run. There is obviously no fit here, which is kind of the point of me saying things like short of Marner, why would the Bruins do it.

Carlo is a fringe top 4 NHL d man he is playing well but historically he is fringe top 4 d man, we can agree the Bruins are here because their path has been a proverbial cake walk, I am no leafs fan but I would say talent wise that has been their toughest opponent so far and that includes St. Louis, the top 10 teams in the league over the course of the regular season (5 of which are from the east) and they only had too play 1 of them. That being said anyone who watches hockey can see going forward Boston has a depth scoring issue, they rely on 3 guys for the overwhelming majority of their scoring. As an organization one area where they do have some young depth is on D so yes the idea of trading Carlo for a 2nd line scoring winger would be appealing to Boston, it gives them more offense up front for an area on D where they have plenty of young D men coming.

I almost stopped reading at "Carlo is a fringe top four d man," but I didn't. It's just an absurd premise that doesn't really warrant discussion. A third liner leads the Bruins in goals in the playoffs. They've had 21 different goal scorers. At times Johansson has looked like their best forward. Krejci has been fantastic, Debrusk scored 27 goals this year in like 65 games.

It is very clear that you haven't seen enough of Boston to credible judge them.

Enjoy game 7.

VAN decline and laugh, quality over quantity.

i have seen plenty of them, a 15 game stretch does not define a player, Carlo has scored 2 goals in the last two seasons over 150 games, over his first 3 years in the NHL (230gp, 8g, 24a), is he a good defensive player sure but cmon if you think he stacks of similarly to other second paring d man around the league your insane, he is absolutely on the bottom rung on the top 4 guys in the NHL. Just go down the list of teams the Bruins have played in the playoffs, outside of Toronto, Carlo isn't sniffing the top 4 of any of the other 3! He is a good young controllable dman but he is a long way from Bobby Orr (where you seem to think he is at). I know that 21 different players have scored goals stat is a trendy easy stat to site but how about the fact that the bruins scored 259 goals this past season 106 of those goals came from three players thats 41% of your total goal output from three guys!!! So yes you have a bunch of guys with a goal or two, if the Bruins plan is every year to hope that things break perfectly for them and all of the good teams get eliminated before they have to play them then sure keep doing what your doing. You are either a massive homer or high if you think this team was getting past the elite teams in the east!

someone let me know if he made any good points in the bottom half of that paragraph. I saw that you were judging a defensive d man on his goals scored, and rolled my eyes.

Name me a defensive dman in the last 5 years that any team has paid a premium for whether by trade or contract..... I'll wait.

Carlo is a nice piece sure but to think he has some sort of huge value is ludicrous!