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two trades for the LHD

Créé par: chuck28
Équipe: 2019-20 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 4 juin 2019
Publié: 4 juin 2019
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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RFAANSCAP HIT
22 500 000 $
22 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Miller, Colin
Détails additionnels:
on previous post i ask the price a little and it come out with a second and prospect B
VGK
  1. Evans, Jake
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (CBJ)
Détails additionnels:
so here it is a second and prospect B low cost 4th centre
2.
MTL
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
Détails additionnels:
Gostisbehere:
26,expect around 40 pts , low cost 4,5m X 4years
LHD
PHI
  1. Fleury, Cale
  2. Miller, Colin
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Miller:
26,expect around 40 pts , low cost 3,85m X 3years
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4 juin 2019 à 10 h 12
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You’re off on your point comparison/projections. Ghosts worst year is about the equivalent of Miller’s best. Doubtful Miller ever sniffs Ghost’s 60 plus point total of 2 years ago.
4 juin 2019 à 10 h 17
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i think VGK GM has publicly made it quite clear he's only interested in players that can help him today . he's moved many prospects bringing in key pieces to the playoffs success just 2 years in and he's looking to take advantage of the fact VGK is exempt from the Expansion Draft.

its more likely VGK would be interested in Shaw and a 2nd over Evans because Shaw offers what they are looking for in a consistent bottom 6 leader who's won 2 cups in that role and is still in his mid 20's . Shaw gives them depth offensively over 3 lines all of which could have players breaking 50+ Pts with a possession player and leader like Shaw who Domi credits alot this year for helping him break out as a Center like Shaw did Danault before that.

Although i love Evans he's 2 years minimum from being an NHL Call up let alone player . He's got a lot of good to his game but doesnt have the physical build to play his style of game at the NHL level . Similar to Armia its going to take him time to find his balance and i just dont think VGK is interested in giving up Colin Miller for this type of Gamble knowing they could get an NHL player at the very least .
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4 juin 2019 à 10 h 21
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Quoting: Pmwalker
You’re off on your point comparison/projections. Ghosts worst year is about the equivalent of Miller’s best. Doubtful Miller ever sniffs Ghost’s 60 plus point total of 2 years ago.


i gotta agree

if anything i'd be looking at a 3 way deal

Shaw and CBJ 2nd to VGK
Ghost to MTL
Miller to PHI

Conditional 2nd - if VGK make SCF in 2020 with Shaw playing more then 50% then MTL keeps its 2nd pick .
3 way deal all ponying up 1 player who isnt in the new Core of our teams respective Coaches with HABS putting up an insurance pick incase Shaw gets injured
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4 juin 2019 à 10 h 45
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Quoting: Billy739
i gotta agree

if anything i'd be looking at a 3 way deal

Shaw and CBJ 2nd to VGK
Ghost to MTL
Miller to PHI

Conditional 2nd - if VGK make SCF in 2020 with Shaw playing more then 50% then MTL keeps its 2nd pick .
3 way deal all ponying up 1 player who isnt in the new Core of our teams respective Coaches with HABS putting up an insurance pick incase Shaw gets injured


I agree with your analysis... but VGK can't take Shaw salary @ 4M/y... as they have too many 3M$ guy (Eakin, Haula, REaves) they all need to be gone shortly to sign Willy Karlsson @ 7,5M/y
4 juin 2019 à 10 h 51
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Quoting: Billy739
i gotta agree

if anything i'd be looking at a 3 way deal

Shaw and CBJ 2nd to VGK
Ghost to MTL
Miller to PHI

Conditional 2nd - if VGK make SCF in 2020 with Shaw playing more then 50% then MTL keeps its 2nd pick .
3 way deal all ponying up 1 player who isnt in the new Core of our teams respective Coaches with HABS putting up an insurance pick incase Shaw gets injured


ok but if we do that , it's mean they don't sign Karlson ??? that's a big piece . money will be missing somewhere . i just thought with a good 4th centre at low cost maybe now or near future (1 year or 2) that could be one of the piece they are missing . and with Cody Glass pushing maybe for a 3 line spot they just have Eakin to trade for cap space to sign Karlson . and then they have Stasny , Karlson, Glass, Evans as centre line not bad imo . They already have Stone, Pacioretty, Smith, Marchessault, Tuch as top winger and then again money will be missing somewhere.
4 juin 2019 à 11 h 12
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Quoting: DomCholette
I agree with your analysis... but VGK can't take Shaw salary @ 4M/y... as they have too many 3M$ guy (Eakin, Haula, REaves) they all need to be gone shortly to sign Willy Karlsson @ 7,5M/y




Miller is like 25k less then Shaw so its a move that doesnt effect Karlsson being re-signed as it costs the same

unless you're suggesting Miller's cap was being dumped to sign Karlsson
4 juin 2019 à 11 h 18
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ok but if we do that , it's mean they don't sign Karlson ??? that's a big piece . money will be missing somewhere . i just thought with a good 4th centre at low cost maybe now or near future (1 year or 2) that could be one of the piece they are missing . and with Cody Glass pushing maybe for a 3 line spot they just have Eakin to trade for cap space to sign Karlson . and then they have Stasny , Karlson, Glass, Evans as centre line not bad imo . They already have Stone, Pacioretty, Smith, Marchessault, Tuch as top winger and then again money will be missing somewhere.


you're talking as if Miller was a Cap Dump to sign Karlsson which is odd given there is much weaker players to cut

at 26 with 1 standout year followed by an immediate drop in production tells me he'll either get high payout or term not both .
his inconsistency leads me to believe he's smart enough to take less for a 5-7 year deal because he went from nobody to star overnight in VGK and will likely want to do what he can to stay there longterm
4 juin 2019 à 11 h 36
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Quoting: Billy739
Miller is like 25k less then Shaw so its a move that doesnt effect Karlsson being re-signed as it costs the same

unless you're suggesting Miller's cap was being dumped to sign Karlsson


Yes exactly... they need to shed 6-7M to sign Karlsson
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4 juin 2019 à 11 h 56
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Quoting: Billy739
you're talking as if Miller was a Cap Dump to sign Karlsson which is odd given there is much weaker players to cut

at 26 with 1 standout year followed by an immediate drop in production tells me he'll either get high payout or term not both .
his inconsistency leads me to believe he's smart enough to take less for a 5-7 year deal because he went from nobody to star overnight in VGK and will likely want to do what he can to stay there longterm


no Miller is not a cap dump i give a second round and a prospect for him but he does not have the same value of Gostisbehere so we have to add there too.
i also said they have to traded Eakin, he is not a cap dump either he has value but they have to clear cap space if they want to sign other players (Karlsson) but they cannot take salary it will be for picks and/or low cost player.
i don't compare them with Lucic, Eriksson, Alzner, Clarkson, Horton , they are cap dump and will cost something to the team who own them if they traded them : salary retention at minimum
but Miller and Eakin they can have something in return but not salary , it will be draft pick and prospect (low cap) imo
they have a salary cap like the other team
4 juin 2019 à 12 h 3
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Quoting: DomCholette
Yes exactly... they need to shed 6-7M to sign Karlsson


Haula and Eakin are the obvious choices
if Miller gets moved i highly doubt its in a cap dump for Karlsson .


if he was a dominant Possession Center like an Oreilly , Duchene or Toews then sure VGK would pay 6-7m but he's not .


only 3 forwards are getting paid what they are worth on VGK the rest are taking less to stay with the average salary among them being 5m longterm . i think WK will joing Reilly ,Marchessault and Tuch in taking less to keep their forwards core together .

Miller might get moved but i dont think it will be this year as Eakin and Haula are older and unlike Miller have youth in the system to push them out . (without Miller VGK RD looks real bad )
4 juin 2019 à 12 h 14
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Quoting: Billy739
i think VGK GM has publicly made it quite clear he's only interested in players that can help him today . he's moved many prospects bringing in key pieces to the playoffs success just 2 years in and he's looking to take advantage of the fact VGK is exempt from the Expansion Draft.

its more likely VGK would be interested in Shaw and a 2nd over Evans because Shaw offers what they are looking for in a consistent bottom 6 leader who's won 2 cups in that role and is still in his mid 20's . Shaw gives them depth offensively over 3 lines all of which could have players breaking 50+ Pts with a possession player and leader like Shaw who Domi credits alot this year for helping him break out as a Center like Shaw did Danault before that.

Although i love Evans he's 2 years minimum from being an NHL Call up let alone player . He's got a lot of good to his game but doesnt have the physical build to play his style of game at the NHL level . Similar to Armia its going to take him time to find his balance and i just dont think VGK is interested in giving up Colin Miller for this type of Gamble knowing they could get an NHL player at the very least .


Very wrong. The Knights are over the cap and need to move salary without taking salary back. They have made their big moves, so now they need to stock the farm system.
4 juin 2019 à 12 h 21
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Very wrong. The Knights are over the cap and need to move salary without taking salary back. They have made their big moves, so now they need to stock the farm system.


you've never ever followed anything their Management has done to date or Mcphee has done before VGK have you ?

everything about their Management says they'll sacrifice longterm to make a cup run .
its how NSH got Forsberg from WSH a move Mcphee would and has done again . (and will do again in the future )

what you or i would do is one thing but we're talking about what VGK would do and Mcphee has a pretty clear history of these moves
4 juin 2019 à 13 h 28
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Also, why would Philly do that? If they wanted Miller, wouldn't they deal direct with Vegas?
4 juin 2019 à 13 h 29
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Quoting: Billy739
you've never ever followed anything their Management has done to date or Mcphee has done before VGK have you ?

everything about their Management says they'll sacrifice longterm to make a cup run .
its how NSH got Forsberg from WSH a move Mcphee would and has done again . (and will do again in the future )

what you or i would do is one thing but we're talking about what VGK would do and Mcphee has a pretty clear history of these moves


Actually I follow very close and go to about 20 games a year
 
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