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Kaapo Kakko and Thomas Harley

Créé par: math731
Équipe: 2018-19 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 24 avr. 2019
Publié: 24 avr. 2019
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Why will you ask me? Because I want it!
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Kakko, Kaapo
3925 000 $
Harley, Thomas
3925 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Reimer, James
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (FLA)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (FLA)
2.
MTL
  1. Lucic, Milan (1 250 000 $ retained)
  2. Sekera, Andrej
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (EDM)
3.
MTL
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (LAK)
LAK
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (EDM)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (MTL)
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (WPG)
4.
MTL
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (NYR)
Détails additionnels:
They can draft Podkolzin and play him with Kravtsov (he'd be a hell of a fit)
NYR
  1. Juulsen, Noah
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (FLA)
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (LAK)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (FLA)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2020
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2021
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Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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4 800 000 $4 800 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 3
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3 083 333 $3 083 333 $
C
UFA - 3
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3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 5
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925 000 $925 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
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3 150 000 $3 150 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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894 167 $894 167 $
C
UFA - 4
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
C
UFA - 3
Kakko, Kaapo
925 000 $925 000 $
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1 166 667 $1 166 667 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 4
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1 850 000 $1 850 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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1 300 000 $1 300 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
950 000 $950 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Oilers d'Edmonton
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 5
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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748 333 $748 333 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
DG/DD
UFA - 2
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7 857 143 $7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 8
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 8
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 3
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650 000 $650 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Panthers de la Floride
3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
G
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
809 167 $809 167 $
DD
UFA - 4
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
750 000 $750 000 $
G
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
900 000 $900 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
771 666 $771 666 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
DD
RFA - 3
Harley, Thomas
925 000 $925 000 $

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24 avr. 2019 à 16 h 18
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Not one of these trades are good for Montreal.
24 avr. 2019 à 16 h 28
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Not one of these trades are good for Montreal.


Well, what we actually need is a superstar... Even if we are keeping all those picks/prospects, there will be simply not enough places for them in the line-up... Even next year, if no trades are done and that guys like Poehling, Suzuki, Brook or Evans starts the year in MTL + guys like Weal and other UFA/RFA, guys like Armia, Lehkonen or Byron might have to be out of the line-up (that's not a great thing even if it means we have depth). We need top end guy, Kakko fill the bill. Would you say these trades are fair at least (for the other teams)?
24 avr. 2019 à 16 h 29
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THE RANGERS ARE NOT TRADING THE SECOND OVERALL PICK

The reason why you want the second overall is the same reason that the rangers aren't trading it.
24 avr. 2019 à 17 h 2
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Quoting: Spanky227
THE RANGERS ARE NOT TRADING THE SECOND OVERALL PICK

The reason why you want the second overall is the same reason that the rangers aren't trading it.


You need more depth then MTL need... Having a guy like Podkolzin whom potential is close to Kakko's + a guy like Broberg, Soderstrom or York to help your defense + Juulsen + another great pick would be more helpful for you...
24 avr. 2019 à 17 h 45
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Value is good on the Rangers deal, but after Hughes and Kakko, there are no franchise players in the draft. The Rangers haven’t had a franchise player in an unbelievably long time, and when they have an opportunity now to get one, it won’t be given up.
24 avr. 2019 à 17 h 46
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Quoting: math731
You need more depth then MTL need... Having a guy like Podkolzin whom potential is close to Kakko's + a guy like Broberg, Soderstrom or York to help your defense + Juulsen + another great pick would be more helpful for you...


If the deal is such a steal for the rangers then why would Montreal pay that... the rangers are in way more of a need to add a franchise altering player like one they WILL get at 2 rather than 2 or 3 shots at descent players. They have already added several players to the prospect pool from the 3 1st rounders from last year and they will possibly have another 3 this year if Dallas makes it to the CF so this makes no sense from the rangers perspective...
24 avr. 2019 à 18 h 13
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I want to game this out in the order you've got them:

Trade #1) Florida, is Petry worth a 1st, a 2nd and an overpriced backup (good goalie, but more than the Habs need)? If yes, let's assume the deal happens... (if not, the exercise is kind of moot)

Trade #2) Edmonton, is Lehkonen (a good, middle-line winger) and $10M in cap relief worth your 8th overall pick? I'd say so, but that's not my call. The Oilers would either need to have someone in mind to sign as a UFA or the ownership would just want to lower the payroll. The latter is certainly more likely than the former.
If Edmonton says no, Montreal has lost a top-4 D and picked up a goalie it doesn't need, a first and a second. This is a serious risk, and once Montreal as started down this path, Edmonton realizes it can probably jerk Montreal around a bit.

But, for argument's sake, let's say this transaction happens.

Trade #3) Kings, is trading down from #5 to #8 worth it for a second and a fourth? Almost surely, and it's not essential to make this move, but it helps a lot.

Trade #4) Rangers, is trading from #2 worth it for the #5 and #13, plus a solid RD prospect and a second pick? That's a coin toss for me.

It all comes down to whether FLA thinks that's a deal worth doing. From there, deals #2 and #3 would likely make sense. At that point, I'd not be heartbroken if that last deal doesn't happen. The Habs would have the #5, #13 and #15 and another second (giving them 3), a decent LD (Sekera) and Lucic to replace Lehkonen's spot or an opening for Poehling/Suzuki. They'd still have Juulsen, who would have to step up into Petry's hole, but that's not a crazy expectation.
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24 avr. 2019 à 18 h 14
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If the deal is such a steal for the rangers then why would Montreal pay that... the rangers are in way more of a need to add a franchise altering player like one they WILL get at 2 rather than 2 or 3 shots at descent players. They have already added several players to the prospect pool from the 3 1st rounders from last year and they will possibly have another 3 this year if Dallas makes it to the CF so this makes no sense from the rangers perspective...


Because Kakko would be an amazing fit for MTL and Podkolzin an amazing one for NY... I mean, the difference between those 2 is there, but we're talking about a 80-90pts winger in Kakko (and NHL ready) and a 70pts two-way winger in Podkolzin (who might play in 1 or 2 years, which will give you the time to add even more prospects). PLus you get another really solid prospect with the 13th
24 avr. 2019 à 18 h 15
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Quoting: HabsRafiki
I want to game this out in the order you've got them:

Trade #1) Florida, is Petry worth a 1st, a 2nd and an overpriced backup (good goalie, but more than the Habs need)? If yes, let's assume the deal happens... (if not, the exercise is kind of moot)

Trade #2) Edmonton, is Lehkonen (a good, middle-line winger) and $10M in cap relief worth your 8th overall pick? I'd say so, but that's not my call. The Oilers would either need to have someone in mind to sign as a UFA or the ownership would just want to lower the payroll. The latter is certainly more likely than the former.
If Edmonton says no, Montreal has lost a top-4 D and picked up a goalie it doesn't need, a first and a second. This is a serious risk, and once Montreal as started down this path, Edmonton realizes it can probably jerk Montreal around a bit.

But, for argument's sake, let's say this transaction happens.

Trade #3) Kings, is trading down from #5 to #8 worth it for a second and a fourth? Almost surely, and it's not essential to make this move, but it helps a lot.

Trade #4) Rangers, is trading from #2 worth it for the #5 and #13, plus a solid RD prospect and a second pick? That's a coin toss for me.

It all comes down to whether FLA thinks that's a deal worth doing. From there, deals #2 and #3 would likely make sense. At that point, I'd not be heartbroken if that last deal doesn't happen. The Habs would have the #5, #13 and #15 and another second (giving them 3), a decent LD (Sekera) and Lucic to replace Lehkonen's spot or an opening for Poehling/Suzuki. They'd still have Juulsen, who would have to step up into Petry's hole, but that's not a crazy expectation.


Thanks for the amazing analyse!
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24 avr. 2019 à 22 h 5
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Well, what we actually need is a superstar... Even if we are keeping all those picks/prospects, there will be simply not enough places for them in the line-up... Even next year, if no trades are done and that guys like Poehling, Suzuki, Brook or Evans starts the year in MTL + guys like Weal and other UFA/RFA, guys like Armia, Lehkonen or Byron might have to be out of the line-up (that's not a great thing even if it means we have depth). We need top end guy, Kakko fill the bill. Would you say these trades are fair at least (for the other teams)?


I don't agree with your first statement. We do not need a superstar (Not to mention Carey Price is already a superstar). The ability to have quality depth and team chemistry is what makes the team win.
I would say all of the trades are fair, but none of them make sense for Montreal. Don't trade the players until training camp where we are known how good those players are. Don't forget, we need Laval to be good as well.
 
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