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Créé par: awesome

Équipe: 2019-20 Penguins de Pittsburgh

Date de création initiale: 17 avr. 2019

Publié: 19 avr. 2019

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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doesn't include any outside free agent signings that might happen. But Rutherford tends to not have a great track record when it comes to UFA signings. Im not even sure if they will resign Wilson or Prow(for different reasons) but I have them both listed on the roster here, obviously the roster size isn't correct.

We know one high cap defenseman has to go, it would make the most sense to be Maatta because it moves enough cap and also the left side has more people capable of replacing somebody. Otherwise I would say maybe move Schultz if they cant resign him since they could get a decent return but it would be tougher to replace him. If they do get rid of Schultz Prow would be more likely to be kept imo.

The kessel deal, I really am not a person who wants to trade kessel. On top of that it is difficult because of team and value. Arizona seems to be one of the ones that would make some sense, value wise this might not be perfect, might have to adjust the draft picks quite a bit.

Also these aren't the exact lines it would be.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Aston-Reese, Zach	1	1 250 000 $
Pettersson, Marcus	3	2 000 000 $
Blueger, Teddy	1	900 000 $
Johnson, Adam	1	1 000 000 $
Riikola, Juuso	2	1 000 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Wilson, Garrett		1	750 000 $
Prow, Ethan		1	750 000 $

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PIT

Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (MTL)
Choix de 5e ronde en 2019 (CHI)

Détails additionnels:

could be a different team, since its just draft picks it doesn't really matter. A few teams should be interested.

MTL

Määttä, Olli

PIT

Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (DET)

Détails additionnels:

could be another team, Jarry could have a solid future but is out of options, so either him or DeSmith would have to be traded.

DET

Jarry, Tristan

PIT

Garland, Conor
Grabner, Michael
Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (ARI)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (ARI)

Détails additionnels:

removed conditional from the 2020 pick

ARI

Kessel, Phil

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2019
2020
2021

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24	83 000 000 $	76 557 500 $	132 500 $	0 $	6 442 500 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Guentzel, Jake 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 5	Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NMC UFA - 6	Hörnqvist, Patric 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ AD NTC UFA - 4
McCann, Jared 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Malkin, Evgeni 9 500 000 $9 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Rust, Bryan 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3
Aston-Reese, Zach 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Bjugstad, Nick 2 050 000 $2 050 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2
Simon, Dominik 750 000 $750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Blueger, Teddy 900 000 $900 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2
Johnson, Adam 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1		Wilson, Garrett 750 000 $750 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Garland, Conor 775 000 $775 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2		Grabner, Michael 3 350 000 $3 350 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Dumoulin, Brian 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 4	Letang, Kris 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Murray, Matt 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ G UFA - 1
	Schultz, Justin 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1
Johnson, Jack 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ DG UFA - 4	Gudbranson, Erik 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DD UFA - 2	DeSmith, Casey 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ G UFA - 3
Pettersson, Marcus 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Prow, Ethan 750 000 $750 000 $ DD UFA - 2
Riikola, Juuso 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DG UFA - 1

19 avr. 2019 à 17 h 5

mhockey91

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not enough for kessel.

19 avr. 2019 à 17 h 12

awesome

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Quoting: mhockey91

not enough for kessel.

originally I had the two players, and two firsts going to Pittsburgh for just Phil. But I ended up making the second pick conditional on something that is reasonable so its still likely two firsts but could be a second.(although maybe im underestimating how much more rare points are for the coyotes as opposed to penguins). and added the picks coming from Pittsburgh(with a relatively reasonable conditional, so it could be just the fifth but also maybe a third)

19 avr. 2019 à 21 h 22

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Quoting: awesome

changed it back to my original idea now. Two firsts without any conditions attached.

20 avr. 2019 à 2 h 37

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I don't see a team giving up 2 1st round picks for Kessel.

My guess is it's a 1st and a player. But the player has to have decent potential.

20 avr. 2019 à 13 h 44

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Quoting: pharrow

I don't see a team giving up 2 1st round picks for Kessel.

My guess is it's a 1st and a player. But the player has to have decent potential.

that's why I kinda adjusted it to begin with so it wasn't as much unless Kessel had a very good season still.

The problem with doing one where its just one pick and a player is teams trading for kessel are gonna be teams interested in competing either now or very soon. So unless they are trading away from immense depth for a need(for example, Nashville trading defense for Phil) its tough to make happen. There are only a few situations where that would work. There are some teams that wouldn't be able to do that type of deal but could give up picks instead. Then there is the fact of where Phil would or wouldn't want to go. So the number of potential trade partners (IF he is traded) isn't too high.

24 avr. 2019 à 15 h 1

pharrow

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Quoting: awesome

I have never once stated trading Phil would be easy. But they aren't moving him unless there is a real return and how to quantify that return is the problem.
A bubble team like AZ isn't going to give up two 1st. Even a trade to a team like Nashville, isn't likely. Most of the ACGM trades on here between the two really don't give a great return.
And that's the problem in trading Kessel. You got a PPG player, on a very low contract (thanks again toronto the curse of the hotdog still lives on), and there is a NMC, while he's a aging player.

There is really one 1 "bad" year on that contract. The last year. The rest of the years shouldn't be all to bad. Good players can play well in their early 30s so the next two years are just fine He'll only be 33.
He's got at least two high scoring quality years left. The question is what is that worth and to whom.

awesome a aimé ceci.

25 avr. 2019 à 0 h 22

awesome

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Quoting: pharrow

im not even certain if he will be traded at all, if he does get traded I think there is a few likely destinations with Arizona or Nashville being higher on the list. I agree most of the deals I have seen for Kessel isn't nearly enough coming back. He is a star player who has a few very good seasons left and as you pointed out Toronto is still paying part of his salary which wasn't too outrageous at todays cap hits anyway.
wherever he goes the return should be high, what form it takes(more current players with only a bit of futures, or more futures with a bit less current players) is to be seen.

25 avr. 2019 à 1 h 18

pharrow

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Quoting: awesome

I mean when you think about it, you are looking at the cost of basically a 2 year rental. Which I would say is worth 2 1st, but they would be low round and frankly underwhelming of a return.
Maybe the value of Stone is a fair comparable. But that doesn't seem like a trade any team would have made unless they absolutely had to.

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