Quoting: CaptainFlynnt
man look at the habs drafting before bergevin, and more specifically look at the lack of draft picks (they were mostly traded away between 2007 and 2012).
You can't blame Bergevin for "wrecking" leblanc, look where he is right now.. I think most of the blame falls on the player.
Are you trying to blame him for drafting galchenyuk and hoping he would be a #1C? He admitted in an interview he wanted to draft Reilly, but he went with Timmins choice. He still turned Galchenyuk into a #1C (by trading him for Domi).
How do you know who made the decision on the McCarron pick? How do you know who made the call for McCarron to go to the CHL? I just dont feel the same way about you, dont feel like that's all on bergevin. Besides some picks bust, get over it.
"2012 -2015 were horrible years for building around youth and not all of it can be blamed on the draft . "
Yes it can, it takes about 4 years to develop a playe after they were drafted. That's the players from drafted from 2009-12. Lack of pick = lower probability of drafting good prospects, simple as that. Previous management didn't give Timmins much to work with.
Dont get me wrong, I really like what Bouchard in Laval. But what exactly has changed in Laval except for perspective? They are going to miss the playoffs again, and again they lack any sort of talent to actually develop. All of MTL's prospects are either still in juniors, college, or Europe.
So you blame the ahl development but let's be honest, they've never had any prospects of note really worth developing since bergevin has taken over. Does make you wonder what scherbak could have been though.
i know who made the choice to send Mccarron to the CHL because Marc Bergavin took responsibility for it when Mccarron won a Memorial Cup then later blamed 'altered development in the CHL' indirectly blaming Hunter for changing his development to become a Center a position he never played at a competitive level until Londons center went down first week of November and Mccarron was asked to step in leading to a full time job and eventual championship .
whatever way you see it , its clear you dont watch the Habs.com interviews and updates or you'd be working with all the same information i am .
Bergavin also said he was told by Timmons boss to take Quebec Major Junior All Star Mikhail Gregerenko but wanted a 2nd opinion so went to one of MTL tenured scouts and development personnel for a 2nd opinion at which point Timmons suggested a forward and a defensman in Galchenyuk and Reilly of which MB chose at a time we needed D in a top 10 stacked with D to go with a winger who had barely 40 competitive games as center .
i've watched Bergavin and even when i was Admin at #HOTH i spent 90% of my time explaining his moves and the big picture context but to be honest Bergavin came in at a time when Gainey's daughter died and Pierre Gauthier had been given control of no only Draft and Developmenet but in a GM capacity as Gainey fought through personal issues . Bergavin inherited Vezina winners , Norris Trophy Winners and Pure Goal Scorer's from Gainey's years drafting and if he couldnt step up and fix Gauthiers mess he never should have taken the job .
its kinda funny Gauthier went over to CHI around the same time and destroyed their drafting/development department as he's a toxic person who's outdated.
my point is simple , Bergavins had his time but it wasnt until Timmons was taken from over achieving employee to management did we even begin to succeed based on new players drafted. Bergavin isnt a GM he's to weak to make the big trades but he would be 100x the President that Molsons been as i think Bergavin is smart enough to hire good employee's he's just not someone capable of landing players like Timmons has more consistently each year he's given more power.
if MTL was smart they'd do what Stevie Y did in TBL with Brisboise but instead of having MB leave make him upper management. Timmons has been in MTL almost 2 decades he's the man to build a cup team for us