What is this poop

overpay in both trades and tacking on useless players. Nylander for pesce and a decent young player or ready next year prospect would be proper value. Take Lilly and grundstrom out of the second trade add brown and probably a 1st.

Both these trades are pretty bad from a Leafs perspective, but especially that Carolina one.

You get it, Pesce has been made out to be a lot better than he actually is by too many ever since the media brought him up as a possibility.

Any right hand Dman to the Leafs is the Bobby Orr incarnate and any Leafs Dman is garbage because reasons. You will get a lot of that on here. You will also see a lot of trades get blasted and that the player is moved for so much less. RHD has s no more important than any other position in hockey, but you will never convince anyone here of anything different.

Pesce and Severson are both comparable to; Hamonic in my opinion, who, when trade to Calgary (with a conditional 4th) was worth a 1st, 2nd and conditional 2nd, with almost the exact caphit (3.8mil), 3 years of term (those 2 Dmen have 5-6 years of term) and 3-4 years older than those 2.

Yeah but you're trading a lot more value than a low 1st, 2nd and conditional 2nd for Pesce here. This is moot now though since they added Muzzin for a lot less than any of these trades.