If you use player trophies as an arugment point, you automatically lose. Burns is great offensively, but tragic in his own end.

And again, POINTS/=SKILL, get it through your head you stupid ****head

its called exaggeration... @JayBeagleFanAccount cherry picked those stat categories to justify gallagher over rantanen, while ignoring the stat categories that rantanen dominates. im just cherry picking the same stat categories to show that its obviously flawed.

That’s why you use eye test and analytics to judge players, not only one or the other. Ovi scores a lot of 5v5 goals, has a huge positive effect on team offense when he’s on the ice, doesn’t drive play anymore but he still scores 50 goals The reason that people are so hard on Rantanen is because he hasn’t proved that he can do it on his own he has a ton of secondary assists. Ovi has proven that he can produce on his own, he scored 40 goals playing on a line with Jay Beagle and Joey Crabb. When Rantanen can either prove that he can drive a line or he adds some defense to his game most people will probably have him in their top 10.

im not comparing him to ovi, just saying that rantanens offensive production makes up for his defensive weaknesses

Why does Rantanen have to prove he can carry his own line to be considered top 10 but players like Pastrnak and Kucherov dont?

Pastrnak has played with a combination of other elite forwards Bergeron and Marchand the majority of the last 3 seasons and some with Krejci when there are injuries

Kucherov has played with a combination of other elite forwards Stamkos and Point, as well as Johnson and Palat when they formed the triplets line

Both Pastrnak and Kucherov are obviously considered high end elite forwards. Im not saying Rantanen is better than them, but neither of them have driven a line without help from another elite forward either

People like you give pens fans a bad name haha. Go read some more BS gunnerstaal posts because I’m sure that’s where you base all your clueless arguments about.

Haven’t even talked about how you don’t have letang on this top 10 list haha that’s hilarious

All you've done so far is say "You're wrong and I'm right blah blah blah" without backing a single statement up. So very good insight from you once again here

I don't think you understand. Rantanen is relying solely on his offense to be considered elite, whereas Pasta and Kucherov have proven to be complete players that aren't carried by their linemates since they're on similar skill levels.

Dumb****s like you make fans of other teams hate us.

If anyone here is clueless it's you, you haven't provided any form of evidence that solidifies your claims. Saying "You don't watch games" and "He has X amount of points" aren't valid arguments.

Miss me with your bull****

You guys are legit nerds who relly on one statistic to prove your arguments haha. Corsi. It’s such a flawed system it’s not even worth arguing over. At the end of the day, everyone on this site is a bunch of “think they know it all” fans. Go read what some professionals say who have covered the sport for decades, watch some actually hockey (hell I bet you guys have never even played a competitive level of hockey), look at the point totals, and then, finally, use corsi to make your decisions. You guys are acting like corsi is god when in fact, it’s still a flawed system. Use a bigger lense next time. This penguins fan here is the biggest joke of a pens fan I’ve ever seen haha. Buddy’s probably been a fan since 2016 haha.

I mean you still aren't defending your argument. You made your statement and not backing it up with anything. Also, since when does anyone need to play hockey to be able to make judgments on players lmao. You're not helping your cause at all here

The only “argument” you use is based on some corsi numbers that is based on a flawed system. If corsi was a definite tool, that’s all NHL GM’s would use. It clearly is not. I’m not going to give you a full breakdown on Phil kessel’s speed, passing/ playmaking ability, quick release, great shot, ability to make players around him better, etc... because it’s a waste of time for me. If Corsi was everything, that’s all GM’s would use, but that’s not the case, there’s MULTIPLE factors that take into account how good a player is. Your argument is very close minded and only looks at “fancy stats” that say a guy like Gallagher whose never eclipsed 60 points is better than kessel whose eclipsed 80 points several times and will continue to do so. Hockey analytics are much more complex then what is described on those charts. That is the “dumbed down” version of it. There’s a lot more going on then a simple chart could explain

How? Pastrnak's advanced stats could be inflated due to Bergeron and Marchand.

Kucherov's advanced stats could also be inflated because of Stamkos and Point.

How have they "proven to be complete players that aren't carried by their linemates" when they have never played on lines without other elite forwards? Your whole argument is flawed. Why does Rantanen have to prove that he can drive his own line to be considered top 10 while other forwards dont? You are just arbitrarily choosing which players have to prove themselves and which players get the benefit of the doubt.

Because Rantanen doesn’t play defense. Homer levels off the charts rn

lots of players you ranked top 10 in their positions dont play defense... Ovi, Kane, Kessel, etc

Good job arbitrarily choosing which players need to play defense in order to be top 10 and which players dont

1) I said Kessel was a mistake lmfao
2) Kane and Ovi back up their poor defense by putting up better offensive stats than Rantanen. It's not that hard to comprehend

Rantanen's offense isnt far behind Kane and Ovi's. This year Rantanen actually has better offensive stats.

If Ovi and Kane are the 1st LW and 2nd RW, then why is Rantanen "not even a top 20 rw"? They have similar offensive numbers and similar defensive numbers...

I think youre blowing up Rantanen's stats there a little bud

How?

Last 2 seasons Rantanen has produced more points per game (1.21) than both of them (1.09 and 1.02) while also averaging less TOI/GP (19:41 vs 20:48 and 20:47). And before you say his stats are boosted by PP time, he also has more even strength points than both of them. Ovechkin obviously holds the lead in G/GP (0.65) while Kane (0.40) and Rantanen (0.39) are very similar. All of their even strength CF% are pretty much equal around 51% while Rantanen holds a slight edge over both of them in FF%. Rantanen and Ovi have similar Zone start percentages (approx 58%) while Kane benefits from a 65% OZ start %. At even strength Rantanen has a better CA/60 (58.62) than both Ovechkin (60.90) and Kane (60.42).

I dont see how Rantanen's overall stats are worse than either Ovechkin or Kane offensively or defensively.

Eichel?

why isnt pettersson number 1???!????!?!??!!!?!??!