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Créé par: rriccobene
Équipe: 2020-21 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Date de création initiale: 19 nov. 2018
Publié: 20 nov. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
2019-20 estimated cap: $81.5m (Elliotte Friedman)
2020-21 estimated cap: $85m

Coburn, Girardi, and Callahan gone to FA.
Stralman re--signs at the end of 18-19 at $2m/2y.
Sergachev given a bridge contract.
Point takes pay cut to stay in Tampa.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
66 500 000 $
31 150 000 $
43 250 000 $
2925 000 $
77 250 000 $
32 125 000 $
21 333 333 $
32 125 000 $
21 000 000 $
3767 500 $
2867 500 $
3833 750 $
2867 500 $
2867 500 $
2825 000 $
2839 167 $
2700 000 $
2700 000 $
2700 000 $
2700 000 $
2725 000 $
21 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
12 000 000 $
3700 000 $
3700 000 $
2700 000 $
21 333 333 $
2700 000 $
2700 000 $
3700 000 $
3725 000 $
Transactions
1.
TBL
  1. Calvert, Matt
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (COL)
Détails additionnels:
2022 4th round pick (COL)
2.
TBL
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (CBJ)
Détails additionnels:
2022 6th round pick (CBJ)
Rachats de contrats
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2021
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de CBJ
Logo de TBL
Logo de COL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
2022
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
2023
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
Logo de TBL
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2185 000 000 $84 258 332 $0 $500 000 $741 668 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
AD, C, AG
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
5 166 666 $5 166 666 $
C, AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
2 125 000 $2 125 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
2 125 000 $2 125 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
1 333 333 $1 333 333 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
G
UFA - 8
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
6 750 000 $6 750 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 6
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
1 333 333 $1 333 333 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Lightning de Tampa Bay
1 150 000 $1 150 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1

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20 nov. 2018 à 7 h 3
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I think thats a big pay cut hes taking if he keeps up his pace, however maybe he has a head on his shoulders and would rather have a good chance to win a cup or 2 then when this contract is up go for the big ticket, not like that nylander guy
20 nov. 2018 à 8 h 21
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I think thats a big pay cut hes taking if he keeps up his pace, however maybe he has a head on his shoulders and would rather have a good chance to win a cup or 2 then when this contract is up go for the big ticket, not like that nylander guy


Point is a Centre, good luck with that. Young studs like point aren't getting bridge deals anymore. He's better than Draisaitl and is going to get 8 minimum.
20 nov. 2018 à 9 h 59
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Point is a Centre, good luck with that. Young studs like point aren't getting bridge deals anymore. He's better than Draisaitl and is going to get 8 minimum.


unless he takes 6.5 for 3 years and then takes 9-10 (if he keeps getting better and better) for 8 years
20 nov. 2018 à 10 h 1
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unless he takes 6.5 for 3 years and then takes 9-10 (if he keeps getting better and better) for 8 years


Look how well that idea is going in Toronto and Tampa isn't some magical land where people just accept less because they can. Kucherov was the last player to get a deal like that and it won't likely happen again.
20 nov. 2018 à 10 h 16
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Look how well that idea is going in Toronto and Tampa isn't some magical land where people just accept less because they can. Kucherov was the last player to get a deal like that and it won't likely happen again.


thats one of the positives of being in a tax sheltered market, 6.5 in tampa is like 8.5-9 in toronto
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20 nov. 2018 à 10 h 32
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thats one of the positives of being in a tax sheltered market, 6.5 in tampa is like 8.5-9 in toronto


That is actually completely incorrect, taxes are far more complex than that. I can't recall exactly what the numbers are but for Toronto to match a 9.5 million dollar deal with Florida, its only a million or so more. So 6.5 would be about a 7 million dollar deal in TO. TSN made a graph on this in the summer and I was surprised at how close it was. Sure it makes a difference but there are way more factors at play than just money. Facilities, endorsement opportunities etc.
20 nov. 2018 à 11 h 25
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
That is actually completely incorrect, taxes are far more complex than that. I can't recall exactly what the numbers are but for Toronto to match a 9.5 million dollar deal with Florida, its only a million or so more. So 6.5 would be about a 7 million dollar deal in TO. TSN made a graph on this in the summer and I was surprised at how close it was. Sure it makes a difference but there are way more factors at play than just money. Facilities, endorsement opportunities etc.


you are not wrong, wither way they are in the same position as TO so i doubt they will be able to make it work.
21 nov. 2018 à 17 h 4
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
That is actually completely incorrect, taxes are far more complex than that. I can't recall exactly what the numbers are but for Toronto to match a 9.5 million dollar deal with Florida, its only a million or so more. So 6.5 would be about a 7 million dollar deal in TO. TSN made a graph on this in the summer and I was surprised at how close it was. Sure it makes a difference but there are way more factors at play than just money. Facilities, endorsement opportunities etc.


Using the post-tax earnings calculator here on CapFriendly.com, it shows that a $7m contract, for example, would result in an earning of $4,444,310 in Tampa, and $3,290,029 in Toronto. Similarly, in Tampa, a $9.5m contract would result in $6,019,310 earning, and only $4,451,779 in Toronto. I would have to argue that while it may seem relatively small, we are still talking about an extra $1-1.5m post-tax which means a lot. Not to mention the fact that Tampa has great weather, and that the media is not as intense.

I also factored in the fact that three of Tampa's superstars have taken pay-cuts to stay here. Stamkos was reported to be drawing $9-10m from TOR, and stayed for $8.5m. Hedman, who is arguably the best defenseman in the league, stayed here for under $8m. Kucherov, who is top-5 in points since 2015-16 and could easily draw upwards of $11m, stayed in Tampa for $9.5m. Players love to play in Tampa, which is why guys like Ryan McDonagh and JT Miller stayed in Tampa. Is $6.5m too low for Point? Probably. Point will probably attract $7-7.5m from Tampa, and what Nylander does, or doesn't do, will affect that.
21 nov. 2018 à 17 h 8
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Using the post-tax earnings calculator here on CapFriendly.com, it shows that a $7m contract, for example, would result in an earning of $4,444,310 in Tampa, and $3,290,029 in Toronto. Similarly, in Tampa, a $9.5m contract would result in $6,019,310 earning, and only $4,451,779 in Toronto. I would have to argue that while it may seem relatively small, we are still talking about an extra $1-1.5m post-tax which means a lot. Not to mention the fact that Tampa has great weather, and that the media is not as intense.

I also factored in the fact that three of Tampa's superstars have taken pay-cuts to stay here. Stamkos was reported to be drawing $9-10m from TOR, and stayed for $8.5m. Hedman, who is arguably the best defenseman in the league, stayed here for under $8m. Kucherov, who is top-5 in points since 2015-16 and could easily draw upwards of $11m, stayed in Tampa for $9.5m. Players love to play in Tampa, which is why guys like Ryan McDonagh and JT Miller stayed in Tampa. Is $6.5m too low for Point? Probably. Point will probably attract $7-7.5m from Tampa, and what Nylander does, or doesn't do, will affect that.


I won't argue with that. What I will say though is how people get paid makes a difference as well. Bonus money can be taxed differently than salary so there are ways to work around tax laws. They just don't seem to be as big an issue as some let on.
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21 nov. 2018 à 17 h 18
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
I won't argue with that. What I will say though is how people get paid makes a difference as well. Bonus money can be taxed differently than salary so there are ways to work around tax laws. They just don't seem to be as big an issue as some let on.


Fair point. I think that at the end of the day, there is no certainty anymore. Another lockout seems imminent, and a $5m-$6m contract is the new norm. Whatever does happen, not just with Point or Nylander, or whoever, will certainly be something to keep an eye on.
 
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