As bad as Jori Lehtera's contract is, Philadelphia would rather keep it then give up a second to move it
Nylander and Johnsson will want more money btw,Nylander7+ and Johnsson maybe 3.5+ but that's nit picking

you really think the blues are going to gift wrap you Parayko for that garbage offer let alone add a solid prospect.

You literally could not be more wrong, Nylander will be around Ehlers number long term, or less short term. Johnsson your out to lunch, I thought 1.5 was generous after a handful of games. Hyman and Brown got just above 2 for full successful seasons

Johnsson has barely played in the NHL even though he is looking to be a great player he definitely has no way of being able to ask for thay amout of money with barely any nhl games to prove that he’s worth that. 1.7 is probably what he’s going to make

I bet Johnsson comes in at less than a milli. The guy made 250k last year, let's be reasonable about his 3 goals.

If I could justify, I'll admit maybe the Parayko trade doesn't go through, but to counteract some of your thoughts.
1. I viewed a swap of Nielsen for Walman as a thought that there are two players that haven't cracked an NHL lineup yet in either organization and could be looking for a change of scenery. They are similar age, but IMO play very different games. Nielsen is more of an offensive guy and Walman has not quite shown that at the AHL level yet. STL does not look like its getting much offense from its Left side of the d-core. Edmundson and Bouwmester are good two-way guys but lack that offensive flare. I am a fan of Dunn but call it bias if you want or not but Nielsen is dangerous with the puck and has that ability to put points up in the NHL (great shot on the point and has a decent meanness to his game) and I think Nielsen could be effective on a 3rd pair in STL which is where he would fit nicely if father time catches up to Bouwmester, you can run Edmundson-Pietrangelo, Dunn-Bortuzzo, Nielsen-Schmaltz.
2. I realized after all that typing on point 1 I would also be giving you a proven scorer at the NHL level in a top 4 role in Jake Gardiner. Now I am the first person to say Jake Gardiner does not come without frustration as a fan because of his shear inability to play without the puck. But with a d-core in STL that is much better defensively than TOR, I guarentee you'd get the best of Jake instead of what Leafs fans rag on him for. I truly believe his defensive defencies are magnified in TOR because the supporting cast around him isn't good enough defensively to counteract his inability to play defense.
3. Garret Sparks is an AHL goaltender of the year and reigning Calder Cup winner. He would give STL a solid #2 option in goal behind Allen and lets be honest, he has not been very consistent and after losing Hutton, you could definitely use a capable back-up to take on the workload when Allen falters which he has the last two seasons.
4. I gave STL a first and a 2nd round pick also.

Fair point on the Lehtera contract, but I think your grossly overestimating those numbers. Johnsson has not played more than 40 games in the NHL, he's not getting paid more than Hyman and Brown because of what he did in the AHL.

Now to Nylander I have one sentence to reply with and then you can come back to me with whatever you want as long as you listen to this sentence first:

"Go to David Pastrnak's page on here and look at his production then look at his Cap Hit and then tell me if you think Nylander has made a case to make more"

PS: As a Leafs fan I also suggest you take a look at the highlights of that 7-game series and watch Pastrnak in all 7 games, then focus on Nylander in all 7 games. It pains me to say it but let's just say Nylander has a lot of growing up to do before he can start asking for more than Pastrnak.

Pasternak plays on the most dangerous line in hockey. His numbers are a little inflated. Nylabder plays with Matthews yes, who was injured for 40+ games and Hymann who, as good as he is, isn’t a major point scorer. Nylander can also play centre.

Johnsson has played 15 NHL games and has 5 total points in the NHL.

How in gods green earth does that get him $3,500,000+ ? That gets him $925,000 at BEST....unless Dubas wants to lock him for 3-4 years (which then costs $1,000,000 - $1,500,000).

I'm truly shocked that you haven't electrocuted yourself from a toaster yet.

And Nylander aint getting $7,500,000+

Disagree.

Gardiner = a 1st + 2nd if you want to flip him....so realistically they're getting a 1st + 1st + 2nd + 2nd + Sparks (young / best goalie in the AHL) + Nielsen (4th).

I've seen plenty of superstars go for far less than a 1st + 1st + 2nd + 2nd + 4th + high end goalie prospect.....so how much do you expect for Parayko?

Gardiner is not worth half that he puts up points on a very offensive team and plays terrible defense. Sparks was on wining ahl team doesn't make him best goalie in ahl. he may very well be top 3 but young goalies don't have any value really. Not to mention they will be very late firsts with Parayko. Who still has more value then you offered.

A true 2 way defense man like Parayko goes for a true number 1 center or a top nhl winger a top 5 nhl prospect and high draft picks.

I didn't make the offer but you're still so wrong.

Parayko is a 2nd line defensmen....and Gardiners defense isn't that bad....

do you even watch hockey let alone the leafs or blues. Parayko is a top 5 nhl d man

Gardiner is a nightmare on skates in his own end

OMFG are you another leafs fan who thinks that you can get faulk for a puck and a KFC coupon. Nylander's contract will be more then Pastrnaks because Nylander doesn't have players that are as well established as Brad Marchand and Patrice Bergeron feeding him the puck. He has Zack Hymann, who has many talents but point producing isn't one of them... yet. Matthews yes but he was injured half the seasons so Nylander will get more then Pastrnak who got 6.667. The fact Nylander can play C adds more money onto that deal. Nylander should get around 7.5 mil.

Johnsson has turned 2 major leagues to shreads. In the NHL he was impressive too. On the 4th line put up 5 points inn 15 games. Johnsson earns minimum 2.5 and I think 3.5 is fair. I'm surprised no one has punched you for being so offensive either!!!

The only way I see Nylander getting more than Pastrnak is because of "% of the Cap" strategy. However, it won't be because Nylander "can" play center because he has been tried out at center and has not really succeeded that much. You have to look at it from the teams perspective, you can't pay a guy like Nylander 7+ million based off his production on the wing (beside your best C in 34) and then say after you sign the deal "Well we think he's going to be a center for us down the road so thats why he deserved a little bit more." I am sick and tired with the "he can play center argument" because yes centers are valuable but Mitch Marner is a better player than Nylander so I don't think Nylander deserves more because he "can play center". He's put up two 60 point seasons on the wing, and we have probably the best 1,2,3 punch at center already in the league; Nylander should get payed as a winger because I think he is a winger. If sometime down the road you have to trade/or let a guy like Kadri walk to FA for cap space and you need a 3rd line centre (just a hypothetical, don't freak out), thats still 3-4 years down the road. And at that point I don't think having Nylander play 3rd line minutes at centre is even at all as a effective as having him on Matthews wing, better off just finding a new center through by the draft or FA.

Onto Johnsson, he's played 15 games. Just settle the horses man.

Dude, I am howling! You say to someone "Do you even watch hockey" and at the end of that statement you say Parayko is a top 5 dman in the league?? I'll name off dman better than Parayko right now and these are in no particular order.

Doughty, Hedman, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Josi, Burns, Klingberg, Jones, Ghostibere, Provorov, Ekman Larsson, Ekblad, Ellis, Hamilton, Suter, Dumba.

Take your takes somewhere else man before you spit nonsense like that.

Confirmed today Johnsson signed 1 year, 2-way deal for 787,500. Just shy of the 3.5 million he was supposed to get.

I'll start with the Johnsson salary of less than 800k. Maybe you don't share your uneducated opinions??

I love these threads where Leaf fans lose their **** over salaries they think players should earn, and never do.

Winners are built with the team in mind. Words like "demands" "commands" "takes" are not part of the team concept nor are they part of a winning culture.

All the Leafs are getting considerably less than 95% of you mathematicians think.

Check mate

WOW.......JUST WOW.

JOHNSSON JUST SIGNED HIS CONTRACT....ON LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME DAY AS YOUR PREDICTIONS (AND ATTACKS AGAINST REASONABLE PEOPLE)

Did he sign for $3,500,000+? Am I one of those stupid Leaf fans who (insert your above insult here)???

No.....he signed for $787,500.......WOW.

Can I get an apology here? Can we at least agree that you have NO IDEA what you're talking about and you shouldn't be trash talking???

You literally guessed 450% higher than his actual contract....and ridiculed me for guessing the logical and correct cap hit.

If you acknowledge your errors & respond to this post....you will gain 100% of my respect back.

Otherwise.....you'll have to live with a guy on the internet thinking your dumb....FOREVER.

Parayko is one of the 5 best defensemen in the NHL...?

Now I know why this conversation is going nowhere.

BTW....he's the 2nd best RHD on his team.....also there's Doughty, Hedman, Karlsson, Burns....is he better than every other Dman in the NHL....including Pietrangelo?

quote=leafsfan96;529645]Dude, I am howling! You say to someone "Do you even watch hockey" and at the end of that statement you say Parayko is a top 5 dman in the league?? I'll name off dman better than Parayko right now and these are in no particular order.

Doughty, Hedman, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Josi, Burns, Klingberg, Jones, Ghostibere, Provorov, Ekman Larsson, Ekblad, Ellis, Hamilton, Suter, Dumba.

Take your takes somewhere else man before you spit nonsense like that.[/quote]

spit your nonsense else where kid. half of those defencemen are not even close to having the value of Parayko or ability to play two way hockey like him let alone hit, blockshots. i will give you Doughty, Hedman, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, and its very close with hedman and pietrangelo. You take contract, age, injury history, and defensive ability then even karlson could be in question. Burns is all offense and when he is not scoring he is an overpaid beard. Ekblad and Suter are both great players both have injury histories get paid more while one is young and will get better the other is older and will only get worse. Josi is very close not as physical as him. Klingberg is better on offense but lacks the defensive ability and its not even close. Jones, Ghostibere, Provorov,are great up and coming d-men not close to him yet. Ekman Larsson is hard to judge he is always on garbage teams that affect his game. He doesn't play defense or hit as well as Parayko. Ellis just not as good and Hamilton is good on offense solid d but he keeps getting traded for lesser pieces something wrong there. While Dumba is good he is the 3rd best on his team (sutter and Spurgeon).

Maybe top 5 is a small stretch but doesn't change the fact that he has a ton more value than offered. There is another site where the proposed trade was Parayko for Leon Draisaitl. Oilers fans all said no but blues fans also said no and most neutral fans said value was very close.

spit your nonsense else where kid. half of those defencemen are not even close to having the value of Parayko or ability to play two way hockey like him let alone hit, blockshots. i will give you Doughty, Hedman, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, and its very close with hedman and pietrangelo. You take contract, age, injury history, and defensive ability then even karlson could be in question. Burns is all offense and when he is not scoring he is an overpaid beard. Ekblad and Suter are both great players both have injury histories get paid more while one is young and will get better the other is older and will only get worse. Josi is very close not as physical as him. Klingberg is better on offense but lacks the defensive ability and its not even close. Jones, Ghostibere, Provorov,are great up and coming d-men not close to him yet. Ekman Larsson is hard to judge he is always on garbage teams that affect his game. He doesn't play defense or hit as well as Parayko. Ellis just not as good and Hamilton is good on offense solid d but he keeps getting traded for lesser pieces something wrong there. While Dumba is good he is the 3rd best on his team (sutter and Spurgeon).

Maybe top 5 is a small stretch but doesn't change the fact that he has a ton more value than offered. There is another site where the proposed trade was Parayko for Leon Draisaitl. Oilers fans all said no but blues fans also said no and most neutral fans said value was very close.[/quote]

Parayko for Leon Draisaitl is not close & you are sadly misguided.

Parayko for Leon Draisaitl is not close & you are sadly misguided.[/quote]

no sorry but you are wrong on this one go to hfboards and look at the thread for the two and see not just me