Carolina doesnt part ways with any of those players.

So 10th place in the East it is!

Because they like never winning and being terrible at offence? This trade is a joke yes, but mainly because the Leafs are giving up the best two players in the trade in Nylander and Kadri and the 4th best in Gardiner and a 1st round pick to make their team much worse than it currently is and also they get a highly touted prospect. All in all this trade is a complete one side joke.

Sheesh. I will come back to this thread come playoff time.

And let fall a single tear?

The team hasn't really improved this off season, how do you expect to make the playoffs when you can't score and also aren't that good at defending (Or stopping the puck, either way)?

Additions of Svech, Necas, Hamilton, De Haan and hopefully a rebound season for Faulk and skinner(35 Goals?).. I dont see how thats not improved?.. As far as Defending, if everyone plays to their potential, Canes are top 5 for defense in the league.

*Edit* forgot the addition of Ferland to who could potentially plant another 20 goals.

So I have a question, most people seem to say Carolina has one of the best defensive cores in the league and Toronto has one of the worst. I hear this on a daily basis. So then why did Toronto allow less goals than Carolina? Is it just because Andersen is really good (If the Leafs defense is as bad as people say it is, he should have won the Vezina) or is what everyone says completely wrong?

Think the NHL is changing and what makes a defence good or bad is also changing. Speed is everything now and where once bigger defensive defenceman were valuable now fast guys make a huge difference. If you can attack the puck you force teams to dump and chase and if you have fast defence you are already turning up the ice before a forechecker can get there.

Now I'm just rambling. My point is, I think a lot of what people say and what you hear is just reputation and not much is based in actually facts.

Its like people that think shot metrics are the end all and be all. TO allowed more shots than most teams last year but they were also one of the best teams as far as high percentage scoring chance teams. Meaning they allow a tonne of shots but most aren't very good scoring chances. On an average night Toronto would be outshot 35-28 but when you look at high danger chances TO would have a 2-1 advantage.

You are correct with what you are saying, but I am not looking at hard stats. Strictly looking at potential and what teams "should" be like. So you could be right, Canes could finish dead last and the Leafs could be #1, or vise versa.

So many things would have to go wrong for Carolina to finish last, and even more things would have to happen for TO to finish last. On paper Carolina should be fighting for a wildcard spot and TO should be competing for their division crown and presidents trophy. But a lot can happen between now and the end of the regular season.

I guess im just caught up in the young guns carolina has been blessed with. Obviously biased, but i can see Svech putting up 25-30 goals and winning the calder. Also putting my faith in Necas.. That kid has improved soo much after being drafted. Cant wait for the season to start.

I always forget about the guy you just drafted, yeah he will have a bigger year than Dahlin for sure.

lol this is such a terrible trade for Carolina. I don’t even know where to begin...