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Créé par: CeeDee87

Équipe: 2018-19 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 1 juill. 2018

Publié: 1 juill. 2018

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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I'm just trying to get into Dubas' head here with all this, there's a lot of talk about the Leafs pushing to sign Calvin De Haan I think if that happens you have to think the corresponding move is to ship out Gardiner who is in the final year of his deal and on a crowded left side and unlikely to fit the Leafs from a cap perspective going forward.

Martin won't be on this team on opening day. The Reeves contract shows that there is clearly still a market for guys like Martin (and Martin is actually still a useful 4th liner) and the Leafs can use that 2.5M to avoid any bonus overages going into next season.

*disclaimer, all contracts are all more or less based off of Matt Cane's contract prediction model. They are fairly accurate when it comes to UFAs slightly less so with RFAs (or Johnsson would be making close to league min on a 2 year deal like I have here)

The way this roster is constructed currently the Leafs at most would have a $1.3M cap carryover for next year and if you hit the longterm outlook tab a little over 15.5M in cap space next season to sign Marner and Matthews long term prior to Horton being placed on LTIR (about $21M in space when he is put on LTIR) before accounting for any cap growth.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Nylander, William	6	6 750 000 $
Johnsson, Andreas	2	1 125 000 $
Holl, Justin	1	750 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
De Haan, Calvin	3	2 500 000 $
Shore, Nick	2	1 000 000 $
Duclair, Anthony	1	925 000 $

Transactions

TOR

Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (NYI)

Détails additionnels:

Leafs need a right handed defender, the Hurricanes need more than one left handed defender.

Faulk and Gardiner are almost the same player the only difference being their shooting hand.

For Carolina this also that much more attractive because they save over $2M in real dollars too (Faulk is owed $6M in base salary each of the next 2 years Gardiner is owed $3.65M now that his $400K bonus has been paid)

There might be some other smaller parts to this deal but its a fairly even trade 1 for 1 (talent wise) but if you want add one way or another.

TOR

Choix de 5e ronde en 2019 (CGY)

CGY

McElhinney, Curtis

Rachats de contrats

Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2019
2020
2021

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TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	79 500 000 $	75 545 833 $	2 550 000 $	4 550 000 $	3 954 167 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Marleau, Patrick 6 250 000 $6 250 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 2	Matthews, Auston 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) C UFA - 1	Nylander, William 6 750 000 $6 750 000 $ AD UFA - 6
Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 7	Marner, Mitchell 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD UFA - 1
Johnsson, Andreas 1 125 000 $1 125 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Kadri, Nazem 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 4	Kapanen, Kasperi 863 333 $863 333 $ AD UFA - 1
Duclair, Anthony 925 000 $925 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Shore, Nick 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C UFA	Brown, Connor 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
		Horton, Nathan 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ AD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG UFA - 4	Faulk, Justin 4 150 000 $4 150 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Andersen, Frederik 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 3
Dermott, Travis 863 333 $863 333 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Hainsey, Ron 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1
De Haan, Calvin 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 4	Zaitsev, Nikita 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD UFA - 6	Sparks, Garret 675 000 $675 000 $ G UFA - 1
Borgman, Andreas 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) DG UFA - 1	Carrick, Connor 1 300 000 $1 300 000 $ DD UFA - 1

1 juill. 2018 à 22 h 41

Jer

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Great lineup!!!!! Cup contenders!

1 juill. 2018 à 22 h 45

HockeyNM1510

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Carolina isn’t giving up a guy with term for a guy who worse and is on an expiring deal.

1 juill. 2018 à 22 h 47

CeeDee87

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Quoting: HockeyNM1510

Carolina isn’t giving up a guy with term for a guy who worse and is on an expiring deal.

Please explain how Gardiner is worse. Look up any stat you'd like and get back to me.

1 juill. 2018 à 22 h 51

palhal

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Thanks for including Horton. I do agree with above comment. Not that Faulk is great but his two years over Gardiner's one year and handiness might drive a harder bargain. You're right about Martin, strange how Babcock just stopping using him, because he is an NHLer. Grundstrom should be NHLer this year, I don't think Duclair could make the team. Wonder if the Leafs are going with newly signed Jurris at centre?

1 juill. 2018 à 22 h 54

HockeyNM1510

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Quoting: CeeDee87

Please explain how Gardiner is worse. Look up any stat you'd like and get back to me.

He’s a defensive liability. RHD are in more demand than LHD, making them more valueable. Him having more term is also more valueable.

1 juill. 2018 à 22 h 58

Shifttee

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Easy pass from Carolina

Our needs are Centers and RW, not "LHD"
(Hayden Fleury looked capable of stepping into second pair last year)

no way are we giving up one of our 2 strong trade assets to not fill a need

1 juill. 2018 à 23 h 0

CeeDee87

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Quoting: HockeyNM1510

He’s a defensive liability. RHD are in more demand than LHD, making them more valueable. Him having more term is also more valueable.

Again go look up those stats and see who the top 20 defenders over the last two years are at suppressing shots and see where Gardiner falls and where Faulk is.

1 juill. 2018 à 23 h 2

CeeDee87

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Quoting: palhal

Jooris looks destined for the Marlies. I think it's most likely another signing or taking a shot with Par at C first for the Leafs. Jooris is injury depth it seems.

1 juill. 2018 à 23 h 4

HockeyNM1510

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Quoting: CeeDee87

Again go look up those stats and see who the top 20 defenders over the last two years are at suppressing shots and see where Gardiner falls and where Faulk is.

Ok. Fine whatever. Even if Gardiner is a better dman than Faulk, the difference isn’t worth the extra 2 years term that Faulk has.

1 juill. 2018 à 23 h 6

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CeeDee87

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Quoting: Shifttee

They have Fleury (who may or may not be ready) and one left handed defender who has seen regular nhl shifts on the left side (albeit one of the best ones) a LD is definitely a need for Carolina and everyone keeps missing the fact that Carolina is a budget team, saving $2.5M alone is a large incentive for teams like Carolina.

1 juill. 2018 à 23 h 9

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Quoting: CeeDee87

now you get 1 star, for not know anything about Carolina

1 juill. 2018 à 23 h 9

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Quoting: HockeyNM1510

Ok. Fine whatever. Even if Gardiner is a better dman than Faulk, the difference isn’t worth the extra 2 years term that Faulk has.

The bottom line savings they'd get is however. For hard budget teams like Carolina $2.5M in savings is worth more than a 1st round pick or did you not read about how they were trying to (and eventually did) find a GM willing to take the job at a salary that is lower than 90% of the assistant GMs around the league.

1 juill. 2018 à 23 h 12

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CeeDee87

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Quoting: Shifttee

now you get 1 star, for not know anything about Carolina

He said Fleury was ready for a top 4 role. Yes he played most of last season, but on the bottom pair. Is he ready for a top 4 role I dont know cause I'm not watching as many Hurricane games as you are clearly.

1 juill. 2018 à 23 h 22

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Shifttee

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Fleury still has some room to grow but he could be Serviceable in the second pair (he's just a kid still)
(aside from the fact that CAR already been linked to Calvin DeHaan)

simple truth is bringing in Gardiner doesn't help us, it hurts us

it doesn't address a need and it wastes a valuable trade asset

better off moving Faulk to CHI, even if the return is only Anisimov
Ideally he goes to MIN for Nino
or in a perfect world Faulk+ to TOR for Nylander

But Gardiner is of no use to us

also our top D prospect Jake Bean is close to getting NHL time (Also a LHD)

Fleury and Bean's progress is what made Hanifin trade able (god that hurts to say)

Carpy22 a aimé ceci.

1 juill. 2018 à 23 h 32

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CeeDee87

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Quoting: Shifttee

I was quite the fan of Bean when researching the 2016 draft so it's good to hear that he's coming along well. We have a difference of opinion when it comes to Fleury in the few games of his I caught, but if he is ready to step into a larger role than you're probably right that this is a lateral move that doesn't improve their team.

People really underestimate how good Nylander is (which may help in the contract talks) if it wasn't for some rotten PP shooting luck he'd be right there with Marner. The + in Faulk+ would be more than I'm sure most fans would be comfortably willing to pay.

Also the reason I even posted this was because the Leafs were linked to De Haan which meant Gardy would be the most likely candidate to go in a trade.

1 juill. 2018 à 23 h 40

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Shifttee

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Quoting: CeeDee87

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/764917

this is what i originally put together for Nylander as a first pass

someone said it was too much, IDK i thought it was fair

1 juill. 2018 à 23 h 43

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CeeDee87

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Quoting: Shifttee

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/764917

this is what i originally put together for Nylander as a first pass

someone said it was too much, IDK i thought it was fair

Probably doesn't get it done. Fox is by all indications looking to finish up at Harvard and become a UFA in a couple years so his trade value is minimal. They definitely wouldn't agree to a protected pick either.

2 juill. 2018 à 1 h 23

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I don't think the Gardiner for Faulk makes much sense from the Carolina standpoint, as people have mentioned in the comments why would they give up a valuable trade chip to address an area of strength (they have a very solid group of defensemen) , makes much more sense for them to seek a top 6 forward for Faulk.

Also I'm curios to the reason why you want to trade Gardiner? You say above that he Is a equal or an improvement over Faulk but then why do you (along with every other Maple Leaf fan on this site) want to trade him so badly? If you all seem to view him as this very solid top 4 defensemen what is the reason for trading him especially since your teams one weakness at this point is defensemen?

2 juill. 2018 à 7 h 14

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Quoting: Carpy22

Read the description of the team at the beginning of this post.

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