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Flyers June 21 - Simmonds to MIN for 1st rounder

Créé par: Mardzy
Équipe: 2018-19 Flyers de Philadelphie
Date de création initiale: 21 juin 2018
Publié: 21 juin 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Take on expensive expiring contracts in exchange for picks.
Gives prospects some time to develop before making the jump.
Hopefully by 2019 Hart, Frost, Kubel and Myers will be able to make the team.
2020 Ratcliffe, Rubtsov and Allison should be close.
When forwards are injured NAK, Vecch, Misha, and Goulbourne could be called up.
With Morin being out until Feb. some more depth needed adding in a 7th d.
When d get hurt Myers is the first call up, Brennan, and Wotherspoon may also get called up.
Hoping Stolarz can get healthy so he and Hart can split duties in Lehigh. If Hart adjusts well he's the first call up because of waiver exemption.
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Zadina, Filip
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PHI
  1. Ennis, Tyler
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (MIN)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2018 (VGK)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (MIN)
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PHI
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (PHI)
DET
    return from not signing Mrazek
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    PHI
    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (ARI)
    ARI
    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (STL)
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (PHI)
    3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (PHI)
    4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (PHI)
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    PHI
    1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2018 (DET)
    DET
    1. Neuvirth, Michal (1 250 000 $ retained)
    2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2018 (PHI)
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    21 juin 2018 à 10 h 7
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    I think a trade with DAL for Spezza is more like Spezza for a 3rd, or DAL gives up a 4th or 5th for Neuvirth. Not sure DAL would give up 2nd, 3rd and Spezza for Neurvirth.
    21 juin 2018 à 10 h 20
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    Quoting: jccamps18
    I think a trade with DAL for Spezza is more like Spezza for a 3rd, or DAL gives up a 4th or 5th for Neuvirth. Not sure DAL would give up 2nd, 3rd and Spezza for Neurvirth.


    Dallas is getting 5 mil salary relief. That's rather expensive
    21 juin 2018 à 10 h 27
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    I like the thought of picking up MIN's 1st and then trading the 2 higher 1sts to move up. I think OTT might want more than that though, they may want all 3 1sts.

    In Neuvy for Spezza deal, we would likely get 1 pick back.

    Don't like the CHI deal, we don't need another LHD and CHI needs a starting goalie right now.
    21 juin 2018 à 10 h 54
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    Dallas is getting 5 mil salary relief. That's rather expensive


    They don't need the cap relief. Spezza isn't a cap dump. They still have 7 mil in cap space with him. I know everyone on this site thinks Spezza is a cap dump but that's just not case.
    21 juin 2018 à 10 h 56
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    Quoting: jccamps18
    They don't need the cap relief. Spezza isn't a cap dump. They still have 7 mil in cap space with him. I know everyone on this site thinks Spezza is a cap dump but that's just not case.


    It is if they want to go get a UFA like JVR or Kovalchuk.
    21 juin 2018 à 11 h 3
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    It is if they want to go get a UFA like JVR or Kovalchuk.


    Do people realistically expect to get a 2nd and 3rd for 5 mil in cap relief. PHI would pay 5 mil for 1 year of a 3rd line center which is exactly what they need in their current cap situation. I'm just saying, teams aren't getting a 2nd round pick to "take on" Spezza.
    They can still sign Kovalchuck and get a backup goalie with current cap space.
    21 juin 2018 à 11 h 3
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    Quoting: jccamps18
    They don't need the cap relief. Spezza isn't a cap dump. They still have 7 mil in cap space with him. I know everyone on this site thinks Spezza is a cap dump but that's just not case.


    He averaged 13 minutes ice time last year. With a year at 7.5 wouldn't it make sense for them to move on, especially if that meant the team could take on Kovalchuck, JVR, or even Voynov?
    21 juin 2018 à 11 h 9
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    Quoting: jccamps18
    Do people realistically expect to get a 2nd and 3rd for 5 mil in cap relief. PHI would pay 5 mil for 1 year of a 3rd line center which is exactly what they need in their current cap situation. I'm just saying, teams aren't getting a 2nd round pick to "take on" Spezza.
    They can still sign Kovalchuck and get a backup goalie with current cap space.


    What does a player with a 7.5 mil cap hit and 26 points bring in return?
    21 juin 2018 à 11 h 11
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    Quoting: jccamps18
    Do people realistically expect to get a 2nd and 3rd for 5 mil in cap relief. PHI would pay 5 mil for 1 year of a 3rd line center which is exactly what they need in their current cap situation. I'm just saying, teams aren't getting a 2nd round pick to "take on" Spezza.
    They can still sign Kovalchuck and get a backup goalie with current cap space.


    As I stated, we would likely only get 1 pick back and it likely would be the 3rd. If we got a 4th and 7th for taking on Filppula, we can surely get a 3rd for taking on Spezza.
    21 juin 2018 à 11 h 19
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    Quoting: Mardzy
    He averaged 13 minutes ice time last year. With a year at 7.5 wouldn't it make sense for them to move on, especially if that meant the team could take on Kovalchuck, JVR, or even Voynov?


    If you don't just look at a stat line at the end of the season, you would know that Ken Hitchkock was the worst possible coach for Spezza, and utilizing him in a 4th line role, with an emphasis on defense, would most likely not produce more than 26 points. Spezza, along with a lot of other players, were set up for failure last year. The year before he had 50 points in 68 games, and the year before that 63 points in 75 games. So yes, he is getting up there in age, but he was set up failure last year and his 13 min and 26 points was not unexpected.

    Quoting: Mardzy
    What does a player with a 7.5 mil cap hit and 26 points bring in return?


    I'm not sure if you mean as far as what he brings to the team, or what he brings return in a trade, but I think he can still bring 40 points to a team. Put him between Janmark and Radulov, and he'll be just fine. He probably doesn't have much trade value, but I would rather keep him for 1 year than give up assets to get rid of him.
    21 juin 2018 à 11 h 20
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    As I stated, we would likely only get 1 pick back and it likely would be the 3rd. If we got a 4th and 7th for taking on Filppula, we can surely get a 3rd for taking on Spezza.


    I get that, and I'm just stating that you won't get a pick back for Spezza. You don't have to take him on, but you won't get a pick for doing so.
    21 juin 2018 à 11 h 21
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    As I stated, we would likely only get 1 pick back and it likely would be the 3rd. If we got a 4th and 7th for taking on Filppula, we can surely get a 3rd for taking on Spezza.


    That was also a different situation, TB needed to move Filppula because he had a NMC and they needed to move him before expansion draft.
    21 juin 2018 à 12 h 16
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    That was also a different situation, TB needed to move Filppula because he had a NMC and they needed to move him before expansion draft.


    Yes but he also made significantly less than Spezza plus you are getting a more capable backup than Lehtonen
    21 juin 2018 à 16 h 36
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    Yes but he also made significantly less than Spezza plus you are getting a more capable backup than Lehtonen


    He makes 2.5 mil more than Filppula did, which DAL is taking on 2.5 in Neuvirth. so it's the same. Lehtonen is free agent, and won't be resigned, and there are plenty of backup goalies in free agency this year. It'd be completely different if Spezza had 2 or more years left, but he has one year left and DAL is not in a cap crunch.
    If DAL trades Spezza, they have to go out and sign a new center. Let's say that center (someone like Tyler Bozak) will get 4-5 million. Now DAL paid a 3rd round pick for 2.3 mil in cap space, which they still don't need.
    DAL lacks depth at center, so they aren't likely to trade one, much less give up a 3rd round pick to give one up.
    21 juin 2018 à 16 h 45
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    He makes 2.5 mil more than Filppula did, which DAL is taking on 2.5 in Neuvirth. so it's the same. Lehtonen is free agent, and won't be resigned, and there are plenty of backup goalies in free agency this year. It'd be completely different if Spezza had 2 or more years left, but he has one year left and DAL is not in a cap crunch.
    If DAL trades Spezza, they have to go out and sign a new center. Let's say that center (someone like Tyler Bozak) will get 4-5 million. Now DAL paid a 3rd round pick for 2.3 mil in cap space, which they still don't need.
    DAL lacks depth at center, so they aren't likely to trade one, much less give up a 3rd round pick to give one up.


    Except Neuvy is an asset and better than everyone out there except for maybe Bernier and Hutton who will both likely want more than Neuvy's 1 year deal at $2.5
    21 juin 2018 à 16 h 49
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    Except Neuvy is an asset and better than everyone out there except for maybe Bernier and Hutton who will both likely want more than Neuvy's 1 year deal at $2.5


    Okay, then DAL will offer you a 4th or 5th rounder for him in a trade. No Spezza. No picks. Would that work?
    21 juin 2018 à 17 h 1
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    Okay, then DAL will offer you a 4th or 5th rounder for him in a trade. No Spezza. No picks. Would that work?


    probably. we can find a 3c elsewhere.
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    21 juin 2018 à 17 h 2
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    Modifié 21 juin 2018 à 17 h 10
    Quoting: jccamps18
    He makes 2.5 mil more than Filppula did, which DAL is taking on 2.5 in Neuvirth. so it's the same. Lehtonen is free agent, and won't be resigned, and there are plenty of backup goalies in free agency this year. It'd be completely different if Spezza had 2 or more years left, but he has one year left and DAL is not in a cap crunch.
    If DAL trades Spezza, they have to go out and sign a new center. Let's say that center (someone like Tyler Bozak) will get 4-5 million. Now DAL paid a 3rd round pick for 2.3 mil in cap space, which they still don't need.
    DAL lacks depth at center, so they aren't likely to trade one, much less give up a 3rd round pick to give one up.


    How is it that Dallas has no center depth? They have Janmark that played center at some point, Seguin, Shore, Faksa, Hanzal, Dickinson, also Benn and Pitlick have played center. Also Spezza played mostly wing last year didn't he?
    21 juin 2018 à 17 h 15
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    Quoting: Mardzy
    How is it that Dallas has no center depth? The have Janmark that played center at some point, Seguin, Shore, Faksa, Hanzal, Dickinson, also Benn and Pitlick have played center. Also Spezza played mostly wing last year didn't he?


    I should probably say quality center depth. Even a lineup of Seguin, Faksa, Janmark, Shore at center doesn't look great. Janmark can play center, but if he plays 3c our top 6 wingers don't look great. Benn could play center, but is much more effective at wing. Ideally this year the centers would be Seguin, Spezza, Faksa, and Hanzal/Hintz.
    All of those guys do play center, but whether or not they are quality centers or should be playing center is another issue. Plus, putting Spezza between Janmark and Radulov looks like a really good line.
    21 juin 2018 à 17 h 17
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    probably. we can find a 3c elsewhere.


    There are plenty of them out there. Just remember free agent centers require term, and centers that contribute will cost picks. You're not going to get a pick to get your 3c.
     
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