Trades, high draft picks and another 10 years of contending

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Créé par: HawksFan28

Équipe: 2018-19 Blackhawks de Chicago

Date de création initiale: 6 juin 2018

Publié: 6 juin 2018

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

I made a lot of trades here in an attempt to stock up on top picks in this draft.... That was my number one priority given how deep this draft is. It's an excellent opportunity for the Hawks to get players that will make this team a contender for another 10+ years.....

With that said I ended up with picks:

4th - Tkachuk
8th - Dobson
11th - Veleno
12 - (I have no idea who I would draft there)

So this team does have 27 players, so this really isn't a "roster" per se - it's more of a depth chart.

Of course there will be plenty of debate on the 3 trades I made, however what I proposed isn't "outlandish" by any means - I really think what I proposed is "close" - maybe the Hawks would have to add a pick or a prospect here or there but I think the trades are close....

The long-term outlook for the team is great too, if this was the Hawks roster Bowman would have at least 20 million next season to get Schmaltz signed and maybe extend a few guys - so the Hawks wouldn't be in "cap hell" any time in the near future....

But there are plenty of options in the top 6 and many options in the bottom 6 so that is certainly a strength this team has - it's a very versatile team and adding Tkachuk, Dobson, Veleno and whomever is drafted at #12 along with DeBrincat, Schmaltz, Jokiheru (sp) will really set this team up to be contenders for the next decade..

As far as goaltending - why not a Hutton/Darling tandem?? Darling was excellent here in Chicago, and Hutton had a really good season last year....I would bet Hutton/Darling would be more effective than Forsberg/Burube and that gong show in goal last season....

Ok, criticize away.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Duclair, Anthony	1	1 250 000 $
Hinostroza, Vinnie	1	1 250 000 $
Hayden, John	1	1 250 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Tkachuk, Brady	3	925 000 $
Dobson, Noah	3	925 000 $
Bozak, Tyler	3	4 000 000 $
Moore, John	3	2 500 000 $
Hutton, Carter	1	2 000 000 $
Veleno, Joe	3	925 000 $
Martinsen, Andreas	1	700 000 $
Vermette, Antoine	1	800 000 $
Wingels, Tommy	1	1 500 000 $

Transactions

CHI

Ryan, Bobby (1 250 000 $ retained)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (OTT)

OTT

Hossa, Marián
Murphy, Connor
Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (NSH)

CHI

Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (NYI)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (CGY)

NYI

Crawford, Corey
Forsling, Gustav
Choix de 3e ronde en 2018 (CHI)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (CHI)

CHI

Darling, Scott (2 000 000 $ retained)
Faulk, Justin

CAR

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2018
2019
2020

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
27	80 000 000 $	69 658 045 $	1 232 500 $	1 907 500 $	10 341 955 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Saad, Brandon 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Toews, Jonathan 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 5	Ryan, Bobby 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4
DeBrincat, Alex 778 333 $778 333 $ (132 500 $$132K) AG, AD UFA - 2	Schmaltz, Nick 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, C UFA - 1	Kane, Patrick 2 625 000 $2 625 000 $ AD NMC UFA - 5
Ejdsell, Victor 833 750 $833 750 $ C, AG RFA - 1	Bozak, Tyler 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ C, AD UFA - 3	Hayden, John 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 2
Sikura, Dylan 925 000 $925 000 $ (925 000 $$925K) AG, AD, C UFA - 1	Hinostroza, Vinnie 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2	Wingels, Tommy 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA
Duclair, Anthony 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Vermette, Antoine 800 000 $800 000 $ C, AG UFA	Tkachuk, Brady 925 000 $925 000 $
Veleno, Joe 925 000 $925 000 $		Martinsen, Andreas 700 000 $700 000 $ C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Keith, Duncan 5 538 462 $5 538 462 $ DG NMC UFA - 5	Faulk, Justin 4 150 000 $4 150 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2
Moore, John 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ DG UFA - 5	Seabrook, Brent 6 875 000 $6 875 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 6
Dobson, Noah 925 000 $925 000 $	Rutta, Jan 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Darling, Scott 2 150 000 $2 150 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 3
Gustafsson, Erik 1 200 000 $1 200 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Oesterle, Jordan 650 000 $650 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Hutton, Carter 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 3

6 juin 2018 à 18 h 45

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send aren't trading down 22 spots just to exchange Murphy and Ryan, especially when you want to retain on Ryan.

6 juin 2018 à 18 h 53

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Quoting: clark

send aren't trading down 22 spots just to exchange Murphy and Ryan, especially when you want to retain on Ryan.

Melnyk desperately wants to get rid of Ryan......

But like I said, the Hawks may have to add something, perhaps Duclair or Hinostroza??? or the Hawks just take Ryan at full price....

You do know Hossa is basically a "cap coupon" so he won't count against the Sens salary cap...... Melnyk gets 5.275 cap hit for a measly 1 million in salary...... I mean it would help Melnyk keep Karlsson and sign one of his other key free agents....

This trade would give Ottawa a lot of flexibility..

6 juin 2018 à 18 h 56

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Quoting: HawksFan28

OTT could easily keep Karlsson. They don’t have a cap problem, they have a cheap as fk owner problem.

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 1

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

OTT could easily keep Karlsson. They don’t have a cap problem, they have a cheap as fk owner problem.

Exactly, which is where Hossa comes in....... They lose the Ryan salary for 1 million bucks - they could put the money they're paying Ryan towards Karlsson... That is the whole point of Hossa being in the deal....

Ottawa loses 7.50 in Ryan
Ottawa takes on 1 million (cash salary) in Hossa

Which leaves 6.50 in extra cash to keep Karlsson around.

Right now he doesn't want to pay Karlsson what he's worth because he's stuck with paying Ryan....... Hawks can help with that if Ottawa is willing to swap pick #4 for pick #27..

It's actually a pretty good deal from a financial perspective.

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 2

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Quoting: HawksFan28

The trade in effect makes Ottawa pay for Murphy at 3.8m plus take on 1.2m of Ryan. so the dollar savings isn't that much for missing out of what might be premier player. I don't see Ottawa being a cap floor team, they never were before, so I don't know if hossa is at all necessary. there probably isn't a team that needs to get the cap floor. with hossa on ltir really his cap hit is meaningless to the hawks or any team.

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 2

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Quoting: HawksFan28

But for 4th overall...not a chance.

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 10

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

But for 4th overall...not a chance.

Well, then you lose Karlsson.....

No team is going to take Ryan without sending salary back, and if you're stuck with Ryan then Karlsson walks because Melnyk is apparently on budget..

The Hawks can send you 1 million in salary for Ryans 7.5 million in salary....

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 13

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Quoting: clark

Whatever then, Hossa & 27 for Ryan & 4.....

This is a financial deal....

The Sens wont keep Ryan and Karlsson (because Melnyk is on a budget)....... And no team is just going to "take" Ryan without sending salary back...... The Blackhawks can, but it would cost swapping pick 27 for pick 4..

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 14

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Well, then you lose Karlsson.....

No team is going to take Ryan without sending salary back, and if you're stuck with Ryan then Karlsson walks because Melnyk is apparently on budget.

The Hawks can send you 1 million in salary for Ryans 7.5 million in salary....

How is this clearing space for them?

OTT costs:
Ryan $1.25
Hossa $1
Murphy $3.85
Total $6.1 compared to Ryan’s current $7.25.

So just over $1 mil is the make or break to keep Karlsson?

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 17

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

How is this clearing space for them?

OTT costs:
Ryan $1.25
Hossa $1
Murphy $3.85
Total $6.1 compared to Ryan’s current $7.25.

So just over $1 mil is the make or break to keep Karlsson?

I just threw those guys into the deal because I figured you would want on ice assets.....

I would do Hossa & 27 for Ryan & 4......

That deal would save you 6.50 at full price..

If Ottawa retains 1.5

Ottawa saves 5 million.

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 19

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Quoting: HawksFan28

I just threw those guys into the deal because I figured you would want on ice assets.....

I would do Hossa & 27 for Ryan & 4......

That deal would save you 6.50

Nobody is trading a top 5 pick to get rid of a contract.

rangersandislesfan a aimé ceci.

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 25

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

Nobody is trading a top 5 pick to get rid of a contract.

You're trading #4 for #27 in order to save 6.5 million dollars...

Melnyk would......

You still get a first round pick in a deep draft.....

But like I said - Karlsson is going to walk if Ryan is on the books because Melnyk will not pay Ryan 7.5 and Karlsson 10 and there is no team in the league that will take 7.5 in salary in exchange for 1 million dollars in salary without a first round pick coming back - that 4th overall pick...... Beseides, Ottawa doesn't even have a first round pick next season....

So hypothetically it's trade the 4th or lose Karlsson..

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 29

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No it’s not.

Why wouldn’t Melnyk put the money up and move Hoffman for assets instead and keep the 4th? Ryan is still a useful player, overpaid yes but useful. Plus they could likely get another mid round first and more for Hoffman. So they get Karlsson, their 4th, something between 15-20 and a sweetener instead of 27 and Hossa.

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 43

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

Fine, trade Hoffman...... You're going to get lowball offers tho...... Everyone knows Melnyk's position an they will use that against him...

One thing is certain tho, you're not going to be able to trade Ryan without adding a significant asset...

My trade would basically be:

Ryan, Tkachuk for 27th overall & Hossa (6.5 million dollars)

Not much different really from Bryan Bickell & Teuvo Teravainen for a 2nd & 3rd round pick...

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 44

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Okay, first of all Murphy doesn't move you up from 27 to 4. Second, Faulk is a better player than Anisimov. And 3rd, the Isles aren't gonna give up BOTH their firsts for Crawford.

6 juin 2018 à 19 h 53

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Okay, first of all Murphy doesn't move you up from 27 to 4. Second, Faulk is a better player than Anisimov. And 3rd, the Isles aren't gonna give up BOTH their firsts for Crawford.

Dude, I'm just responding to rumors I have read from multiple sources..

Hawks are interested in Faulk.
Islanders are interested in Crawford.

Lets not forget the Carolina wants to dump Darling, so the Hawks taking that cap dump (back) will reduce the price the Hawks they have to pay for Faulk --- so it's not like it's Faulk straight up for Anisimov....... It's Anisimov, Forsberg and Hillman for Faulk and Darling (with some retention)....... That's not a bad deal if Carolina really wants to dump Darling..

And Crawford - I just can't see Bowman trading Crawford (in a package to the Islanders) for anything less than those 2 picks....... Crawford is invaluable to the Hawks, and the ONLY reason to trade Crawford would be in a deal Bowman couldn't refuse - and it would take those 2 first round picks to make it happen...

Look, I'm just responding to rumors... Not fantasizing...

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