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Créé par: Flyers2000
Équipe: 2017-18 Flyers de Philadelphie
Date de création initiale: 8 mai 2018
Publié: 8 mai 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Just curious on the value of the trades and if it makes sense for the team trading with Philly, not trying to make a team
Transactions
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BUF
  1. Raffl, Michael
  2. Ratcliffe, Isaac
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (STL)
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PHI
  1. Steel, Sam
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (ANA)
4.
OTT
  1. Laberge, Pascal
  2. Lyon, Alex
  3. Weal, Jordan
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2018 (PHI)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2375 000 000 $66 566 389 $1 062 500 $7 182 500 $8 433 611 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
4 137 500 $4 137 500 $
AD, C
NMC
UFA - 5
4 333 333 $4 333 333 $
C
UFA - 5
8 250 000 $8 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 7
5 187 500 $5 187 500 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 650 000 $$3M)
C, AD
UFA - 3
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance2 650 000 $$3M)
AD
UFA - 1
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
AD, AG
UFA - 2
925 000 $925 000 $
C
RFA - 5
863 333 $863 333 $
AD
UFA - 2
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
AG
UFA - 3
962 500 $962 500 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
680 833 $680 833 $ (Bonis de performance207 500 $$208K)
AD
UFA - 2
4 700 000 $4 700 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 2
2 350 000 $2 350 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
UFA - 2
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 6
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
G
UFA - 2
894 167 $894 167 $
DG
UFA - 1
678 889 $678 889 $
DD
UFA - 3
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DG/DD
UFA - 2
2 345 000 $2 345 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
G
UFA - 2
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 3

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8 mai 2018 à 15 h 16
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Honestly, they are all pretty bad one way or the other.
8 mai 2018 à 15 h 21
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Honestly, they are all pretty bad one way or the other.


What do you think of the Reinhart trade?
8 mai 2018 à 15 h 21
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I think if Toronto was to deal Kapanen, it would have to be for a position of need. LD is a position of strength, so if Philly was interested in swapping Sanheim, a similar type prospect RD, then Toronto would have more interest!
8 mai 2018 à 15 h 26
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What do you think of the Reinhart trade?


Very bad for the Flyers. Ratcliffe had a great year in the O and we are giving up a depth player and another 1st...no thanks!
8 mai 2018 à 15 h 32
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Very bad for the Flyers. Ratcliffe had a great year in the O and we are giving up a depth player and another 1st...no thanks!


Well that explains why I liked it. thank you so much. It seemed to be heavily weighted to Buffalo.
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8 mai 2018 à 15 h 35
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Very bad for the Flyers. Ratcliffe had a great year in the O and we are giving up a depth player and another 1st...no thanks!


I don't mind you disagreeing with the trades but I just feel the need to point out that if you want something good, you you gotta give up something good
8 mai 2018 à 15 h 42
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I don't mind you disagreeing with the trades but I just feel the need to point out that if you want something good, you you gotta give up something good


I don't get why we would pay that for a guy who would be our 3RW. Konecny plays the right side.
8 mai 2018 à 15 h 49
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I don't get why we would pay that for a guy who would be our 3RW. Konecny plays the right side.


If the fact that we are gonna put a top 6 forward on our third line is gonna influence you to not want to do a trade (not just this one, any trade) then you don't even want to win
8 mai 2018 à 15 h 56
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If the fact that we are gonna put a top 6 forward on our third line is gonna influence you to not want to do a trade (not just this one, any trade) then you don't even want to win


Why would we give up a really good prospect and a 1st round pick, both of which could easily become what Reinhart is so far? The trade makes zero sense for the Flyers. The values are off on every single trade you have made above.
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8 mai 2018 à 16 h 12
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Why would we give up a really good prospect and a 1st round pick, both of which could easily become what Reinhart is so far? The trade makes zero sense for the Flyers. The values are off on every single trade you have made above.

Did you even read what I said? In my first reply to you I told you that you are 100% allowed to disagree with the value. It's the whole point of the trades, to get thoughts on the value as said in the description. But you told me you wouldn't want Reinhart because we have Konecny. I replied by basically saying what's wrong with having a second line player on our third line? What you replied has absolutely nothing to do with the comment you are replying to
8 mai 2018 à 16 h 28
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Did you even read what I said? In my first reply to you I told you that you are 100% allowed to disagree with the value. It's the whole point of the trades, to get thoughts on the value as said in the description. But you told me you wouldn't want Reinhart because we have Konecny. I replied by basically saying what's wrong with having a second line player on our third line? What you replied has absolutely nothing to do with the comment you are replying to


No you claimed that if I don't want a 2nd line player on our 3rd line that I don't want to win. And I basically said, we have so many prospects that could easily become Reinhart type players so why give up this much to get the same player we likely already have, therefore the value isn't there.
8 mai 2018 à 17 h 5
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
I don't get why we would pay that for a guy who would be our 3RW. Konecny plays the right side.


Quoting: Flyers2000
If the fact that we are gonna put a top 6 forward on our third line is gonna influence you to not want to do a trade (not just this one, any trade) then you don't even want to win


Quoting: DirtyDangles
Why would we give up a really good prospect and a 1st round pick, both of which could easily become what Reinhart is so far? The trade makes zero sense for the Flyers. The values are off on every single trade you have made above.


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Did you even read what I said? In my first reply to you I told you that you are 100% allowed to disagree with the value. It's the whole point of the trades, to get thoughts on the value as said in the description. But you told me you wouldn't want Reinhart because we have Konecny. I replied by basically saying what's wrong with having a second line player on our third line? What you replied has absolutely nothing to do with the comment you are replying to


Quoting: DirtyDangles
No you claimed that if I don't want a 2nd line player on our 3rd line that I don't want to win. And I basically said, we have so many prospects that could easily become Reinhart type players so why give up this much to get the same player we likely already have, therefore the value isn't there.


As you can see in the quotes, you started off by saying, you don't want to pay that price for a guy who's gonna be out 3RW because we have Konecny who plays on the right wing. So unless you misworded what you wanted to say, or you just put useless information thus changing the point you wanted to make, you said you wouldn't mind paying a decent price for a second line right winger but since we have Konecny who's also a second line right winger, it isn't worth it. You didn't want to pay that much because you'd be paying too much for the role he'll have on this team. That comment (or at least the way you worded it because idk what you were thinking) has nothing to do with Ratcliffe becoming Reinhart, or the first round pick becoming Reinhart or else you wouldn't have brought up Konecny and lines

When I replied to you I specifically said "not just this [trade], any trade." So again, we weren't talking about the value of this trade, we were talking about you not liking the idea of bringing in a top 6 forward because he wouldn't be in our top 6

You followed up by completely changing the topic, which I called you out for, but now you're saying it was the topic of Ratcliffe and the first round pick becoming better than Reinhart when as seen above, it clearly wasn't. So since you still haven't answered I'll ask again, what's wrong with the idea of getting a second line player to play on our second line?
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Kapanen would cost way more than that. With JVR and some other players moving on this year, Kap figures to be a big part of their future.

Reinhart hasn't proven anything. Don't think Buffalo is ready to give up on him, but he certainly wouldn't cost (basically) two 1sts and Raffl. Ratcliffe had a 1st Rd pick season this year and I'm not sure I'd even do a 1:1 for Reinhart.
 
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