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John Tavares. . . . .YES WE CAN! A different thought!

Créé par: Doug7004
Équipe: 2018-19 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 14 mars 2018
Publié: 14 mars 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Reshuffling the concept of "our core"!
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 250 000 $
2900 000 $
31 250 000 $
21 250 000 $
86 250 000 $
22 750 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
710 500 000 $
32 250 000 $
22 000 000 $
oziganov, Igor
2925 000 $
Pettersson, Elias
3925 000 $
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TOR
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2019 (NYI)
NYI
  1. Martin, Matt
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (TOR)
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    1. Leivo, Josh
    2. Pickard, Calvin
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    1. Dahlén, Jonathan
    2. Tanev, Christopher
    Détails additionnels:
    Rights to Elias Pettersson
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    14 mars 2018 à 11 h 57
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    In light of your title...

    Trading Marner and Gardiner for Tanev.. NO WE CAN'T!
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 0
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    Brown and Hyman are the future 4th liners of this team so signing Komarov is redundant. As would trading all that for Domi...to again play on the 4th line.

    The numbers for Tavares and Nylander look good though.
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 9
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    Quoting: Goulet
    Brown and Hyman are the future 4th liners of this team


    Is this a typo or something? You can’t be serious...
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 10
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    Quoting: Goulet
    In light of your title...

    Trading Marner and Gardiner for Tanev.. NO WE CAN'T!


    By signing Tavares you likely have to move Marner to provide enough cap for Matthews in the following year. If you look up Peterson and Dahlin, you will see future assets that are brought back and can be affordable. Tanev is a different type of Dman, while Gardiner in final year of contract and likely not going to be brought back. Pretty much straight up.
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 11
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    Modifié 14 mars 2018 à 12 h 25
    Quoting: ConnorMcSchulenberg
    Is this a typo or something? You can’t be serious...


    Very serious. Neither are good but they can hustle and kill penalties. Their contracts suggest management hasn't drunk the koolaid as well.
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 14
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    Quoting: Doug7004
    By signing Tavares you likely have to move Marner to provide enough cap for Matthews in the following year. If you look up Peterson and Dahlin, you will see future assets that are brought back and can be affordable. Tanev is a different type of Dman, while Gardiner in final year of contract and likely not going to be brought back. Pretty much straight up.


    Gardiner>Tanev albeit different types of play. Moving Marner for futures makes no sense when there is 7M wasted on the 4th line plus Brown and Hyman playing too high in the lineup
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 16
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    Hey man, wanna come to my grandmas 86th birthday party at Chuck-E-Cheese? We can play ski ball and eat pizza and such.
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 25
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    Quoting: Goulet
    Gardiner>Tanev albeit different types of play. Moving Marner for futures makes no sense when there is 7M wasted on the 4th line plus Brown and Hyman playing too high in the lineup


    Your feelings on Brown and Hyman are way of base! Hyman a solid winger and defensive conscience on first line with Matthews and Willie. Brown can pla up and down the line up as he brings some offensive skill, and solid on the cycle as well as PK! Silly to think Management is unsure based on contracts. Look at ice time both players are getting. Just because smart contracts. . . LOU not named Berge vin or Chiarelli! KOMO, top PK forward in Nhl, Ryan solid face off guy and Domi who can and will move up and down the line up based on performance, and certainly after Marleau moves on. Futures are currency with MOST value when at the cap!
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 30
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    Quoting: Doug7004
    By signing Tavares you likely have to move Marner to provide enough cap for Matthews in the following year. If you look up Peterson and Dahlin, you will see future assets that are brought back and can be affordable. Tanev is a different type of Dman, while Gardiner in final year of contract and likely not going to be brought back. Pretty much straight up.


    If you look up Pettersson and Dahlin, you will see why Vancouver will pass for the moment.
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 32
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    If you look up Pettersson and Dahlin, you will see why Vancouver will pass for the moment.


    Well I would respect that far more than Goulet's comments.
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 38
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    I dont think you need to give up that much for Martin, u could probably get a late round pick for him.
    If Arizona would do that, which I doubt, I think that’d be a great trade for the leafs.
    Unless you can get Leo to sign a one year contract I can’t see them resigning him simply because of cap reasons, same with Ryan.
    Peterson fits into Vancouver’s timeline better than Marner and vice versa. I would try work out a trade for Tanev without these two.
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 50
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    Quoting: ConnorMcSchulenberg
    I dont think you need to give up that much for Martin, u could probably get a late round pick for him.
    If Arizona would do that, which I doubt, I think that’d be a great trade for the leafs.
    Unless you can get Leo to sign a one year contract I can’t see them resigning him simply because of cap reasons, same with Ryan.
    Peterson fits into Vancouver’s timeline better than Marner and vice versa. I would try work out a trade for Tanev without these two.


    Yeah it's hard to see and understand where exactly Vancouver sees their rebuild. They certainly seem to be doing it on the fly. With the Sedins likely to move on, they could be anxious for some NHL ready players, (Marner) and he' certainly not going to hurt being 2 years advanced of Peterson. Pettersson of course would be the key for Leafs in moving Marner. . . (as a new ELC is key). I have long thought there was a trade for Tanev with Leafs which still might occur in the off season.
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 53
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    Your feelings on Brown and Hyman are way of base! Hyman a solid winger and defensive conscience on first line with Matthews and Willie. Brown can pla up and down the line up as he brings some offensive skill, and solid on the cycle as well as PK! Silly to think Management is unsure based on contracts. Look at ice time both players are getting. Just because smart contracts. . . LOU not named Berge vin or Chiarelli! KOMO, top PK forward in Nhl, Ryan solid face off guy and Domi who can and will move up and down the line up based on performance, and certainly after Marleau moves on. Futures are currency with MOST value when at the cap!


    Yes Hyman currently sits 3rd in EV toi with Marleau 2 seconds behind him but let's not get carried away here. LW is thin on this team. Komarov 8th and Brown 10th at even strength. Komarov was never anything more than a penalty killer and Brown is currently 4th on the depth chart on the right side.
    The left side is peculiar. Leivo, who is cheap, as well as Johnsson, whom you overpaid by 400-500k, could both easily push Hyman down the depth chart where he belongs. And if they're making a trade for Domi, it's for that reason as well.

    Subtract 500k for Johnsson and Aaltonen, 2M for Ryan, 2.25M for Komarov, and you have 5.25M of wasted money. Add Domi and the 1.8M difference from Leivo and you have enough money for Marner plus a cheap depth guy.
    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 55
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    Quoting: ConnorMcSchulenberg
    I dont think you need to give up that much for Martin, u could probably get a late round pick for him.
    If Arizona would do that, which I doubt, I think that’d be a great trade for the leafs.
    Unless you can get Leo to sign a one year contract I can’t see them resigning him simply because of cap reasons, same with Ryan.
    Peterson fits into Vancouver’s timeline better than Marner and vice versa. I would try work out a trade for Tanev without these two.


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    14 mars 2018 à 12 h 56
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    Quoting: Goulet
    Very serious. Neither are good but they can hustle and kill penalties. Their contracts suggest management hasn't drunk the koolaid as well.


    Brown and Hyman are on team friendly deals not accurate representations of their value. Have you watched these guys play? Brown is a 20 goal scorer in his rookie year. The fact that he was on the fourth line at points this season only happened because the leafs are incredibly deep at RW. Almost any other team these guys are top 6/9. If you believe these are 4th line players you are out of touch with the rest of the league
    14 mars 2018 à 13 h 1
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    Well I would respect that far more than Goulet's comments.


    If you're going to put yourself out there with a lineup thread you have to expect constructive criticism.

    With the depth of young D we now have I don't see the logic in expelling high-end forward assets for mild (at best) upgrades on the backend. They need a real top pairing minute munching player or they need a high end 3rd pairing...which they are well on their way to.

    Toronto fans love the lunchbox type of player like Brown, Hyman and Komarov as well as a whole host of others before them. Remember Tim Brent?

    They are on the path to a Cup and those guys play their roles while the skilled players do the rest. We need more skill now, not less.
    14 mars 2018 à 13 h 3
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    Quoting: ConnorMcSchulenberg
    Brown and Hyman are on team friendly deals not accurate representations of their value. Have you watched these guys play? Brown is a 20 goal scorer in his rookie year. The fact that he was on the fourth line at points this season only happened because the leafs are incredibly deep at RW. Almost any other team these guys are top 6/9. If you believe these are 4th line players you are out of touch with the rest of the league


    The rest of the league isn't going to win a Cup and is irrelevant. If you want to miss the playoffs or bow out in the first or second round, continue to pin your hopes on depth players.
    14 mars 2018 à 13 h 22
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    Quoting: Goulet
    The rest of the league isn't going to win a Cup and is irrelevant. If you want to miss the playoffs or bow out in the first or second round, continue to pin your hopes on depth players.

    In order to win a cup your money should be in your top 6, down the middle, and in your top 4. In a league with no salary cap brown and Hyman could be fourth line guys if they played on a stacked team. In reality they will either be continue to play were they are now or be traded as there simple isn’t enough money. Fourth line wingers will either be callups, ELCs, or cheap veterans(1,000,000).
    14 mars 2018 à 13 h 40
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    Quoting: ConnorMcSchulenberg
    In order to win a cup your money should be in your top 6, down the middle, and in your top 4. In a league with no salary cap brown and Hyman could be fourth line guys if they played on a stacked team. In reality they will either be continue to play were they are now or be traded as there simple isn’t enough money. Fourth line wingers will either be callups, ELCs, or cheap veterans(1,000,000).


    In theory, sure. The reality is there isn't one sure fire way because every team and situation is different.

    The cap changed the game and surprisingly, it took a long time for the powers that be to understand value in contracts. Kadri, Hyman, Gardiner, Rielly and Brown all got signed to value deals. Andersen too.

    Hyman and Brown stuck with the big club because of their work ethic and speed. Brown has some finish but neither are particularly good at anything but forechecking. More well rounded players like Kapanen and Johnsson will push them down the lineup which is a good thing for the team.

    In order to win, you need to be better with your depth and we have good depth.
    14 mars 2018 à 13 h 58
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    NO YOU CANT!!!

    Not if you want to MAKE TORONTO GREAT AGAIN.
     
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