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....VS much needed aggressive dealing

Créé par: MajesticWalrus
Date de création initiale: fév 16, 2018
Publié: 16 fév 2018 à 13 h 25
Équipe: 2017-18 Canucks de Vancouver
Explications
What I would do.
Transactions
VAN
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. 2018 3e round pick (SJS)
TOR
  1. Gudbranson, Erik
VAN
  1. Juulsen, Noah
  2. 2018 5e round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Hutton, Ben
VAN
  1. Aston-Reese, Zach
  2. 2018 4e round pick (VAN)
PIT
  1. Gagner, Sam
VAN
  1. Nosek, Tomas
Détails additionnels:
Pending UFA for a cap dump (can be put on IR if Vegas ever needs the space)
VGK
  1. Dorsett, Derek
VAN
  1. Bowey, Madison
  2. 2018 2e round pick (FLA)
WSH
  1. Del Zotto, Michael (1 500 000 $ retained)
VAN
  1. Heiskanen, Miro
  2. 2018 2e round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Edler, Alexander (2 000 000 $ retained)
VAN
  1. Petan, Nicolas
  2. 2018 2e round pick (WPG)
Détails additionnels:
Petan would be in his hometown, he's on the trading block, jets get a legit centre.
WPG
  1. Sutter, Brandon
  2. Archibald, Darren
VAN
  1. Wedgewood, Scott
  2. 2018 3e round pick (ARI)
Détails additionnels:
Pending UFA, yotes still need a goalie, both goalies get a change of scenery.
ARI
  1. Markström, Jacob
  2. Biega, Alex
VAN
  1. Gudlevskis, Kristers
  2. 2018 4e round pick (NYI)
Détails additionnels:
Pending UFA, NY needs a goalie.
NYI
  1. Nilsson, Anders
  2. Dowd, Nic
VAN
  1. Dell, Aaron
Détails additionnels:
UFA this summer, Dell would be close to his hometown, he's on the trading block too.
SJS
  1. Bachman, Richard
  2. 2018 3e round pick (VAN)
Rachats de contrats
  • Chris Higgins: 833 333 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Michael Del Zotto: 1 500 000 $ (66,67%)
  • Alexander Edler: 2 000 000 $ (40%)
  • Roberto Luongo: 800 000 $ (15%)
  • Jannik Hansen: 500 000 $ (20%)
  • Michael Del Zotto: 750 000 $ (25%)
Frais appliqués
  • Roberto Luongo: 0 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2018
VAN
VAN
FLA
DAL
WPG
SJS
ARI
VAN
NYI
VAN
MTL
VAN
VAN
2019
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
2020
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2075 000 000 $50 543 333 $0 $1 912 500 $24 456 667 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Baertschi, Sven
1 850 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Horvat, Bo
5 500 000 $
C
UFA - 6
Boeser, Brock
925 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
Sedin, Daniel
7 000 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 1
Sedin, Henrik
7 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Eriksson, Loui
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 5
Goldobin, Nikolay
863 333 $
AG
RFA - 2
Granlund, Markus
900 000 $
AD, AG, C
UFA - 1
Vanek, Thomas
2 000 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Boucher, Reid
687 500 $
AG
RFA - 1
Gaunce, Brendan
750 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
Virtanen, Jake
894 167 $
AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Pouliot, Derrick
800 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
Tanev, Christopher
4 450 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
Dell, Aaron
625 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Wiercioch, Patrick
650 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Stecher, Troy
925 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Wedgewood, Scott
650 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Holm, Philip
925 000 $
D
UFA - 1
Chatfield, Jalen
765 000 $
DD
RFA - 3

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16 fév 2018 à 13 h 38
#1
Rejoint: aoû 2017
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Modifié 16 fév 2018 à 13 h 50
The year after, we'd use some of those guys in the trades and/ or use juolevi, pettersson, demko, lind, dahlen, gaudette, chatfield, holm, goldobin, boucher, pouliot... And/ or whoever we pick up in the 2018 draft especially with all those picks we'd have after this. And we'd also easily and happily outbid anyone for guys like Carlson or Tavares. .....aaaahhhh... Perfect world. as for the lower limit cap issue, this is a 20 man roster so a few guys would need to be called up anyway and the dorsett deal can always be done later too.
16 fév 2018 à 16 h 25
#2
Rejoint: fév 2018
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As you go down the list the deals get more reasonable. I have to air on the side of most of these would never happen, here's why:

1. Gudbranson, a bottom pairing Dman is not going to fetch a top prospect AND a 3rd round pick, at this point the Canucks will be happy if they just get a 3rd rounder for him.
2. Hutton is entering his prime but not worth a budding prospect and 1st rounder in Juulsen and a 5th rounder, as much as I like Hutton, that's serious over payment by the Habs. He'll probably return a 2nd tops.
3. If salary wasn't a thing this might work. Pens are looking for a 3rd line center which Gagner could fill, but they are only $750k away from the cap and Gagner is $3.45M.
4. Could work, but I don't get this trade for VGK, they don't gain anything by taking on Dorsett's contract.
5. Del Zotto is simply not worth 2 2nd round picks.
5. Edler has a full NMC so that's a non-starter, but even if he did there's no way Dallas is trading their #3 overall pick for a guy who would play 2nd pairing minutes on their team.
6. I actually like this trade for both teams. The Jets have the cap space too to make it work.
7. I like this trade for the Canucks, but I don't know if the Coyotes would like to have a 1A-1B with Raanta and Markstrom
8. Could work, but I don't think NYI sees Nilsson as an upgrade over what they have now.
9. The Canucks would have to sweeten the deal a lot of get Dell from SJ. If Jones got injured and they only had Bachman as their backup they'd be completely screwed haha.
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16 fév 2018 à 19 h 31
#3
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Quoting: doogiski
As you go down the list the deals get more reasonable. I have to air on the side of most of these would never happen, here's why:

1. Gudbranson, a bottom pairing Dman is not going to fetch a top prospect AND a 3rd round pick, at this point the Canucks will be happy if they just get a 3rd rounder for him.
2. Hutton is entering his prime but not worth a budding prospect and 1st rounder in Juulsen and a 5th rounder, as much as I like Hutton, that's serious over payment by the Habs. He'll probably return a 2nd tops.
3. If salary wasn't a thing this might work. Pens are looking for a 3rd line center which Gagner could fill, but they are only $750k away from the cap and Gagner is $3.45M.
4. Could work, but I don't get this trade for VGK, they don't gain anything by taking on Dorsett's contract.
5. Del Zotto is simply not worth 2 2nd round picks.
5. Edler has a full NMC so that's a non-starter, but even if he did there's no way Dallas is trading their #3 overall pick for a guy who would play 2nd pairing minutes on their team.
6. I actually like this trade for both teams. The Jets have the cap space too to make it work.
7. I like this trade for the Canucks, but I don't know if the Coyotes would like to have a 1A-1B with Raanta and Markstrom
8. Could work, but I don't think NYI sees Nilsson as an upgrade over what they have now.
9. The Canucks would have to sweeten the deal a lot of get Dell from SJ. If Jones got injured and they only had Bachman as their backup they'd be completely screwed haha.


I kind of agree. But let's be honest as hockey fans, we've all seen deals that seemed questionable to us before. Plus defence is the most valuable position right now, defense, centre, winger, goalie... In that order. So that's why the first few deals may seem less reasonable compared to when you go down the list. If I was the GM though I would try and get the most of these players but at the end of the day would want to see them gone even if it is just a second for Hutton for example. As for the goalie things, do you think Bachman for gudlevskis and nilsson for dell instead, I though of it later and I think it's maybe better especially since you basically agree.
17 fév 2018 à 14 h 32
#4
Rejoint: fév 2018
Messages: 22
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
I kind of agree. But let's be honest as hockey fans, we've all seen deals that seemed questionable to us before. Plus defence is the most valuable position right now, defense, centre, winger, goalie... In that order. So that's why the first few deals may seem less reasonable compared to when you go down the list. If I was the GM though I would try and get the most of these players but at the end of the day would want to see them gone even if it is just a second for Hutton for example. As for the goalie things, do you think Bachman for gudlevskis and nilsson for dell instead, I though of it later and I think it's maybe better especially since you basically agree.


I think Bachman for Gudlevskis would make much more sense as well as Nlsson for Dell as those are much closer to lateral moves for the organizations involved. In year's past, I agree with you that there has been a premium on Dmen, but this year with Johnson asking for a trade and McDonagh looking like he is open, the amount of quality D available is driving the price down for B-level players like Hutton IMO.
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