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Trading away those who should be traded

Créé par: alexgoodyear
Équipe: 2017-18 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 9 févr. 2018
Publié: 9 févr. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
What the return could be for patches, Shaw, pleky and some of these god awful defenceman
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Thomas, Robert
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (STL)
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (STL)
STL
  1. Pacioretty, Max
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2018 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Reported that Bergevin is looking for a top prospect, 1st and Second Rounder and a Roster Player for patioretty. I think Thomas is good enough that the Blues likely won’t give up a roster player. Maybe if Montreal targeted Kyrou the blues might throw in Fabbri if Montreal adds a Second Rounder coming back
2.
MTL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (PIT)
PIT
  1. Plekanec, Tomas
Détails additionnels:
Can retain as much salary as Pittsburgh wants to make this deal possible, or even get someone back that is on an expiring contract. Many will say Plekanec isn’t worth that much because he doesn’t score as often these days but he does play a shut down role night after night against top lines for Montreal and an offensive minded team like the pens could use him. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was a 3rd plus a prospect
3.
MTL
  1. Morrissey, Joshua
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (WPG)
WPG
  1. Shaw, Andrew
Détails additionnels:
Heard Winnipeg is looking to add a top 6 forward and Andrew Shaw is perfect for them considering he has cup rings and they have little playoff experience. He brings grit, some good depth scoring and he’s a great locker room guy. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him yield a solid prospect or 1st and of course Montreal could take on a longer contract they might be looking to dump to sweeten the deal
4.
MTL
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2018 (CHI)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (DAL)
DAL
  1. Alzner, Karl
Détails additionnels:
Alzner may be a piece of trash in Montreal but it’s mainly because he’s expected to play a bigger role than he ever has in his life. Montreal can afford to retain 2-2.5 million so a team could get a solid bottom 2-3 guy for 2 million for 4 years, not bad at all.
5.
MTL
  1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2018 (PIT)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (PIT)
PIT
  1. Schlemko, David
Détails additionnels:
Similar to the Alzner deal except Montreal could retain one million and make this a streal for a team looking to get that final defensive piece
6.
MTL
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2019 (WSH)
WSH
  1. Benn, Jordie
Détails additionnels:
Once again can retain probably half the salary
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2675 000 000 $50 012 141 $0 $1 365 000 $24 987 859 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 6
925 000 $925 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 4
4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 3
912 500 $912 500 $
C
UFA - 1
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
1 166 667 $1 166 667 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
650 000 $650 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 2
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
AG, AD
UFA - 2
839 166 $839 166 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
650 000 $650 000 $
C
UFA - 2
725 000 $725 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
775 000 $775 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
725 000 $725 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
720 000 $720 000 $
AG
RFA - 3
650 000 $650 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
748 333 $748 333 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
DG/DD
UFA - 3
7 857 143 $7 857 143 $
DD
UFA - 9
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 1
925 000 $925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
700 000 $700 000 $
G
UFA - 1
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
DG
UFA - 1
863 333 $863 333 $
DD
UFA - 3
653 333 $653 333 $ (Bonis de performance257 500 $$258K)
DD
UFA - 2
650 000 $650 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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9 févr. 2018 à 9 h 21
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Andrew Shaw is NOT a T6F. Plus, there's no way that the Jets are trading a T4 man at this juncture of the season.
9 févr. 2018 à 9 h 31
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Quoting: CorsiFenwickxGF
Andrew Shaw is NOT a T6F. Plus, there's no way that the Jets are trading a T4 man at this juncture of the season.


Fair enough on the return portion, didn’t realize Morrissey played those minutes although Andrew Shaw is definitely a third line winger no question
9 févr. 2018 à 9 h 36
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A 2nd, 3rd, and 6th for Plekanec and Schlemko? No thanks.
9 févr. 2018 à 9 h 37
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Those are the people that we need to trade but some of the trades are not that good
9 févr. 2018 à 9 h 47
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Those are the people that we need to trade but some of the trades are not that good


Why are they “not that good”? I’d like to hear your opinion. Because In all honestly I think those are realistic returns and I’ve seen too many armchair gm teams where players are overvalued
9 févr. 2018 à 9 h 49
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A 2nd, 3rd, and 6th for Plekanec and Schlemko? No thanks.


I can see schlemko being unrealistic but don’t be suprised if the pens pay a second for plekanec. Sorry:/
9 févr. 2018 à 11 h 47
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I like your thinking in who you want to move out. A lot of people want to trade Patch, I am not so sure I would trade him as he is MTL`s only 30 goal player. But if a good offer comes along then sure. I doubt MTL gets Morrissey for Shaw, but I agree to move him. You might need to add a player or two to get Morrissey. Pleckey, completely agree and because he is so good on D-zone coverage you might get a 2nd round pick because many teams are going to want him for a deep playoff run.

Alzner I also agree to move. He is getting paid top 4 but playing like a 3rd pairing. Not sure you get as high as a 3rd for him, but I would still try to move him. I also agree to move Schlemko, although I doubt you get a 3rd pick for him, probably a 5th or 6th. I also agree to move Benn, but you will probably get a 6th for him.

You have 10 picks in the next two years in the first two rounds, you should be able to find 4 good players out of that and place on the roster in a few short years. You also have a boat load of Cap space to go get a good UFA. Many people have opinions but I like you thinking and direction.
9 févr. 2018 à 11 h 56
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I like your thinking in who you want to move out. A lot of people want to trade Patch, I am not so sure I would trade him as he is MTL`s only 30 goal player. But if a good offer comes along then sure. I doubt MTL gets Morrissey for Shaw, but I agree to move him. You might need to add a player or two to get Morrissey. Pleckey, completely agree and because he is so good on D-zone coverage you might get a 2nd round pick because many teams are going to want him for a deep playoff run.

Alzner I also agree to move. He is getting paid top 4 but playing like a 3rd pairing. Not sure you get as high as a 3rd for him, but I would still try to move him. I also agree to move Schlemko, although I doubt you get a 3rd pick for him, probably a 5th or 6th. I also agree to move Benn, but you will probably get a 6th for him.

You have 10 picks in the next two years in the first two rounds, you should be able to find 4 good players out of that and place on the roster in a few short years. You also have a boat load of Cap space to go get a good UFA. Many people have opinions but I like you thinking and direction.


Generally agree with you although I think they’re the players they definitely should get rid of. Patioretty because he’s their only player that can get them a top 2 Center and the rest because they’re all older (not very old) but still older and slower which is not the direction this team is going. I think it’s important for them to get rid of those players especially if they plan on bringing in similar players in trades to sweeten their overall return
9 févr. 2018 à 12 h 9
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Generally agree with you although I think they’re the players they definitely should get rid of. Patioretty because he’s their only player that can get them a top 2 Center and the rest because they’re all older (not very old) but still older and slower which is not the direction this team is going. I think it’s important for them to get rid of those players especially if they plan on bringing in similar players in trades to sweeten their overall return


I just hope Bergevin does something. If he thinks this current team is good enough, he needs to go. The defense needs an upgrade. Move out the dead wood and bring in some players capable of doing the job. Schlemko for example is on his 6th team in 4 yrs and he is getting $2.1. Boggles the mind. De Haan, Rutta, Moore would all be an upgrade should they want to go UFA route. I would also go get Andrew Nielsen from Marlies. He is nasty, good on PK and clears front of net. MTL has Weber that is strong enough to clear the front of the net. I am not saying have all 6 d-men like that, but at your 3rd pairing, have a little bit of nasty back there.
 
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