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Forum: Armchair-GM26 août 2022 à 18 h 4
Sujet: Chychrun for Nylander and Sandin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Riddick19</b></div></div>

You’re 84 point centre has never in his entire career before now been a point a game player, that’s why NHL teams didn’t give him what he wanted. Also I can very clearly tell you don’t watch Leafs game because him and Nylander haven’t worked in the past year while they tried to scheme him as the number one puck carrier on the 2nd, last season when JT was running the line they were one of the most effective 2nd lines in the league. Also when you same many more dimensions I assume you’re saying he’s more physical, which he is, but at every other facet of the game Tavares is better, he’s better at zone entries, face offs, playmaking, goal scoring, defensive zone starts, you name it he’s probably better.

When you say Huberdeau is a first liner and JT is a second liner that argument only work in Chel, both players have had the responsibility of running a top line and second line in their careers, JT has found a niche behind Matthews while Huberdeau has improved due to Barkov being the number 1 puck carrier on the line. One of the reasons Huberdeau had a way above expected point total is because he had the freedom to move off puck and have the 2nd best defensive forward on him because of Sasha.

And the market for a 30+ y/o centre isn’t capped at 7 million, reports at the start of free agency said Calgary had a 7 by 10.5 on the table and Kadri decline thinking he’d have better offers, he overplayed his hand and got stuck
Forum: Armchair-GM26 août 2022 à 0 h 7
Sujet: Chychrun for Nylander and Sandin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Riddick19</b></div><div>What fantasy world are you living in???!!! $10M for Tavares is market value?? Lets see.... Nazem Kadri signed 7 years for how much? I'll just tell you.... $7M/7years.... How many points again did Kadri record? 87 points. Okay one player right? How about Zibanejad? $8.5M/7yrs.... 81 points and is younger, faster, more physical.... Barkov recently signed for $10M/8yrs... Do not try and put Tavares in Barkov's territory. Tavares is an $8M/yr player not $10M... and is $3M at least overpaid, and most would constitute that as MASSIVE overpayment in a hard cap league. You telling me Dubas' hands would still be just as tied if they had that $3M?

Patches is a player on a "win-now" team much like Toronto, could you imagine!!!! What would happen in Toronto if Marner got sent to Carolina for future considerations? That is what Vegas was faced with. Toronto basically did it, just in many different parts as opposed to one massive piece being dumped, Toronto downgraded in many areas so they didn't have to do it the way Vegas did.</div></div>

Of the 3 centre’s you just mentioned, Kadri was the only free agent, there is a premium for free agents, Zibby and Sasha re-signed, that lowers their contract value, and Kadri is a bad example as no one wanted him at the value he was looking for 7x10.5 and he’s FOUR years older than JT when he signed. If you want a comparable to why I say a 31 y/o JT would have a market value of 10 million, which I very clearly stated isn’t a figure I made up it’s based off the Atheltic’s model which factors age and production, Huberdeau just signed for 10.5, and he 1. plays a less valuable position, that’s objective. 2. is significantly better defensively, Huberdeau is a liability. 3. Has historically scored more goals than Huberdeau. Huberdeau’s only claim to his pay day was this season, in which league scoring was in a cap-era high.

Getting to your “Marner could have hypothetically been traded for futures if the Leafs were in the Knights situation” Tkachuk was just traded for a better winger and a top 15 defenceman while not having a contract, it doesn’t matter if the Leafs are 82 million over the cap, Marner wouldn’t be traded for futures, that’s an illogical argument.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 août 2022 à 14 h 1
Sujet: Chychrun for Nylander and Sandin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Riddick19</b></div><div>1) Nylander has 2 years left on his deal where Patches has 1, so theoretically you're clearing $10M worth of cap space... 2) Vegas and Toronto are in "win-now" mode, and seeings as both will be UFA it's a moot point.... 3) Doesn't matter what Tavares turned down.... Toronto signed him and that contract hasn't aged well at all. Toronto is where he signed and Toronto is the only team his contract affects. San Jose is thanking their lucky stars they didn't give Tavares that contract. They'd have Karlsson and Tavares over $22M for roughly $12M production. Like I said it's an overpayment but not masive.</div></div>

It’s not a moot point just because both will be UFAs, Nylander will be 27 when his deal expires, which is an age you can afford to hand out a long term deal, where Pacces is likely to sign a 2-3 year high aav deal. And JT hasn’t absolutely tanked his value and he’s worth being relegated to the KHL, he’s a 10 million market value player at his current rate of production according to Dom’s model, so he’s being overpaid by 1 million, is the difference between Tavares and Jason Spezza a “hasn’t aged well at all” difference between just Tavares? Also, guys still a PPG centre that’s top 3 in the faceoff circle and is a lock for 30 goals every year he’s healthy, he’s overpaid not useless
Forum: Armchair-GM20 août 2022 à 19 h 17
Sujet: Chychrun for Nylander and Sandin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Riddick19</b></div><div>Hey it isn't a perfect world... This is the world the Leafs found themselves in because they overpaid for Tavares.... Beggers can't be choosers. Is Paccioretti a cap dump? He was, shou;d he have been? Obvously not as Pacioretti is more valuable to Vegas than Nylander is to Toronto. Patches played on the team's 1st line and was one of the deadliest lines in hockey. But.... He went to Carolina for future considerations. This is the NHL and there are only 32 jobs.... It's not meant to be easy. Right now, to free up space in your budget, it's expensive to make any deal where the other team takes on more salary than you do. It's just the reality in a hard cap and cap purgatory.</div></div>

1. The Leafs aren’t 10+ mil over the cap like Vegas was 2. Nylander is significantly younger than Pacces by a ton and therefore has much more value 3. Tavares is overpaid relative to market value today, when he signed he took a significant discount from the Sharks that would have paid him more than McDavid per year
Forum: Armchair-GM20 août 2022 à 13 h 0
Sujet: Chychrun for Nylander and Sandin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Riddick19</b></div><div>For starters Nylander does not score 40 goals for ARZ.... In Toronto? Definitely.... Not Arizona. Sandin is not as impressive as you're making him out to be. For one thing all ANY team had to do was offer $4M and all it would cost is a 2nd Rd pick. Toronto would never match that. Is it an overpay? I agree it is. But say Sandin signs for $2M... You're totally excluding the fact that this deal also frees up almost $5M in potential cap space the Leafs were going to have to use and that has to be taken into consideration in this trade. Hence why I said it's a slight overpayment. If there was no hard cap in the NHL? Then it's a gross overpayment. But what could the Leafs do with $5M extra cap space? Hence again why it's not considered a gross overpayment.</div></div>

And what could they do? For starters 5 million now doesn’t get you a player in the ballpark of Nylander, or even Zach Hyman. What would be his replacement, Tyler Toffoli? The shell of Gallagher? Whatever Josh Anderson is? You’re doubling down on a bad take, this is a gross overpayment by any definition of the word
Forum: Armchair-GM18 août 2022 à 13 h 18
Sujet: making more moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Joey_mar_cur</b></div><div>not to dump on other leafs D but if he improves as much as he did last year he will be their best defenceman, he already clears everyone but rielly and hes close there too</div></div>

Analytically he wasn’t in the same ball park as Giordano or Liljegren last year, and if Muzzin returns to form he’d be the Leafs 5th best defenceman. I get what your saying but for him to have the improvement to being close to Rielly, but I disagree, Sandin is already a better skater than Rielly and has better goal scoring instincts, but his playmaking isn’t very good, his breakout passes are 50/50 every time, and he is a blackhole in front of the Leafs net. Rielly isn’t a good defender by any means but you can trust him in front of the goalie