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Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 11 h 59

Sujet: marn

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CamdenHamilton</b></div><div>Paying monahan 6.5 is a joke,
and perron sucks
That forward group is attrocious</div></div>

Perron would be a nice depth piece. Excellent leadership and can still produce, especially in the playoffs. Re: Monahan, okay pay him less, but its free agency and I think fair value is extremely unlikely.

Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 11 h 58

Sujet: marn

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>I don't think Columbus would do Jiricek 1 for 1.</div></div>

1 for 1 is extremely risky for Toronto, Jiricek hasn't proven anything yet. CBJ was one of the worst teams last year and Jiricek struggled to crack the lineup lol.

Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 11 h 56

Sujet: marn

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jded</b></div><div>I’m sure Marner is just dying to waive his NNC to go sign long term in Columbus. Why would he want to play another season on a competitive team that he loves, and then hit the trade market where he can choose anywhere in the league, when he could waive for Columbus now? 🤦‍♂️</div></div>

You never know!

Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 6 h 12

Sujet: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fangm</b></div><div>Marner is getting moved after July 1st.</div></div>

Yah agreed, it can be a ‘25 1st and he can come with an extension.

Forum: Armchair-GM8 mai à 19 h 6

Sujet: Marner to Seattle

I think something along these lines makes a lot of sense for both teams, but I think the size and extra year on Oleksiak benefit this team more. Burakovsky with retention gives us more flexibility going forward too, and he's at his lowest possible value due to injury. He's a gamer in the playoffs, and bigger. ID be happy with either forward though tbh.

Forum: Armchair-GM8 mai à 18 h 57

Sujet: Playoff Size

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Novistic</b></div><div>bjugstad is worth more than that</div></div>

Just copied a trade from a Yotes fan

Forum: Armchair-GM8 mai à 15 h 40

Sujet: Playoff Size

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bpaxton</b></div><div>not a fan of the Marner return. Any trade with Seattle and Marner has to include Wright.</div></div>

I’d rather Buium over Wright

Forum: Armchair-GM7 mai à 15 h 2

Sujet: Cabbie Fixes the Leafs

A Marner deal to Seattle makes too much sense. I dont't know if we should touch Saros though, Woll and Hildeby show serious promise.

Forum: Armchair-GM7 mai à 14 h 56

Sujet: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AEcho</b></div><div>If SEA was really going to go after Marner it wouldn't be in a package like that. It would be just Marner and no other pieces would be involved from TOR's end. It would look something like

To TOR: Oleksiak, Burakowsky, Nyman, and either NYR's 2024 2nd or SEA's 2024 3rd

To SEA: Marner, who agrees to sign in SEA long term (e.g. 8x11-11.5)'

Team looks like:

McCann - Berniers - Marner
Schwartz - Wright - Eberle
Tolvanen - Gourde - Bjorkstrand
Kartye - FA signing - Tanev

I don't think TOR agrees to that, and I don't think the teams are great trade partners as it pertains to Marner, despite how much better Marner would assist this team. I just don't think Marner waives to come to SEA nor do I think the teams would come to an agreement on a price. SEA is not in a "win now" mode, and Marner isn't going to be difference-maker alone on this team. SEA would rather let their high-end prospects develop and join the team than spend like there is no tomorrow on high-end talent now.

Additionally, GMRF is not known for moving 1st round draft picks, and I don't think even someone who is as talented as Marner is likely to change that considering how many strong pieces are in the top 10 that could help SEA, especially on defense because the defensive pipeline is not very good.</div></div>

1st has to stay in the deal, take out Nyman and replace him with lesser piece(s). There aren't many RWers who have outproduced Marner since he entered the league, so you don't get him for what essentially amounts to Burakovsky and Oleksiak. Like what makes them so valuable lol?

Forum: Armchair-GM7 mai à 14 h 49

Sujet: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>And despite the fact that Toronto was desperate for a LW all season long to play in the top 6, to the point where they were playing Jarmkrok there, tells us what about Robertson?</div></div>

We can easily just keep him, he's a good player. Not everything is a trick lol

Forum: Armchair-GM7 mai à 10 h 50

Sujet: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AEcho</b></div><div>SEA declines and blocks your number. That is a fortune for SEA to give up. You are asking for a top prospect, an established top 4 D-man, a top 6 winger, and 8OA for effectively just Marner. Lily would be relegated to a bottom pair D-man and SEA certainly doesn't need Kampf for the bottom 6. SEA isn't giving up all of that, plus taking on what is essentially cap dumps for a guy who is isn't signed long term when SEA also has Berniers they have to sign.

Marner is good, but he isn't worth that package for 1 year.</div></div>

Value is fair imo.

1st + Nyman + Oleksiak for Marner
Burakovsky for Liljegren + Kampf

Seattle comes out of this a much better team, probably playoff worthy. You have several prospects ahead of Nyman, I purposely went down your depth chart and picked a lesser name.

Bjorkstrand Beniers Marner
Schwartz McCann Eberle
Tolvanen Wright Gourde
Kartye Kampf Tanev

Dunn Larsson
Evans Liljegren
DuMoulin Borgen

If you really don’t like it feel free to counter offer!

Forum: Armchair-GM7 mai à 10 h 43

Sujet: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ryminister_92</b></div><div>Jarnkrok isn’t a cap dump & that “sub 5’10” forward” scored at a 20 goal pace despite only playing 11 minutes a night and virtually no PP time - he even out produced Zegras. But good to know your personal bias takes leverage over facts.</div></div>

Exactly, give him top 6 minutes and time on PP1 and he can produce similarly to Vatrano, while better fitting the age of their core going forward, and not requiring a significant raise next summer. He’s likely a deadline deal for this very reason.

Forum: Armchair-GM5 mai à 20 h 43

Sujet: Why I like these moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>"Will be Seattle's most talented player"..... the delusion.</div></div>

Im sorry, who is then?

Forum: Armchair-GM5 mai à 16 h 38

Sujet: Why I like these moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MONSTER1974</b></div><div>And Marner waives the NTC to go to SEA?</div></div>

Of course, no one knows for sure. If he’s going to waive anywhere though, I think this is as likely of a spot as any, that would actually have interest in him as well.

Forum: Armchair-GM5 mai à 16 h 36

Sujet: Why I like these moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>No 5th NHL centre on the roster, no 7th NHL Dman on the roster isn't a good plan at all. Can find better value than Smith at 4,5m. Cowan can't be considered a Leafs in October.</div></div>

A 21 man roster isn’t a big deal at all. If we can get better value than Smith that works too. Just ideally want a veteran winger on 1 year that can still play. Also can’t think of any reason why Cowan can’t make the team.

Forum: Armchair-GM5 mai à 16 h 35

Sujet: Why I like these moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>CHI declines.</div></div>

If you reread you’ll see there’s no deal with Chi above lol

Forum: Armchair-GM5 mai à 13 h 47

Sujet: HearMeOut

Leafs can do better. Any deal involving him should either be quality players with similar term or a more standard 1st + player + prospect.

I like Oleksiak/Borgen + 1st + prospect (Nyman) personally

Forum: Armchair-GM5 mai à 13 h 45

Sujet: marner

Terrible deal for the Leafs and no interest in Binnington personally.

Forum: Armchair-GM5 mai à 9 h 43

Sujet: Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>"A player wanna play with the best players as possible to increase stats and thus revenues" is a way better take than "a player could waive no trade clause just because I want to get rid of him".</div></div>

It’s mutually beneficial though. I don’t think Marner is appreciated here and the abuse he takes would take a toll on anyone. You can have your opinion, just don’t act like there isn’t a good enough reason for him to waive, there certainly is now.

Forum: Armchair-GM5 mai à 2 h 55

Sujet: Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>He doesn't need to help any one or prove anything.

He can just continue to do circles on the lake, stack up 60 assists easily on Matthews goals and get long summer vacations to spend $11M a year, like he has done his whole career so far.

He's not dumb enough to give that up just because fans are "unwelcoming" lol</div></div>

These sort of things happen despite what you think. Marner obviously doesn’t think his success hinges on Matthews, that’s a really bad take.

Forum: Armchair-GM5 mai à 1 h 11

Sujet: Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>LOL sure. " So you're telling me there's a chance?"

What a great career move waive his NMC to go play on a non contending team and look bad just before hitting free agency.</div></div>

They are 1 year removed from the playoffs. He can help get them back into the playoffs and earn his next payday. It’s a decent fit, St.Louis is too.

Forum: Armchair-GM5 mai à 1 h 1

Sujet: Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>Marner, a passer, is playing on the same line as the best goal scorer in the league, piling easy points, and you think he'll want to leave on the last year of his contract?

Did I say denial?</div></div>

It’s possible.

Forum: Armchair-GM5 mai à 0 h 57

Sujet: Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>I'm amazed by the level of denial of TML fans. Marner has a full No Movement Clause. The 5 highest paid players have one. You are stuck with this team. Nothing is going to happen.</div></div>

Not necessarily. It may be at a point now where Marner feels unwelcome and a result is willing to waive if it’s on his terms.

Forum: Armchair-GM5 mai à 0 h 55

Sujet: Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leaffanio</b></div><div>montour is the ilk of defenceman the leafs need but i'd be very wary of giving him specifically that deal. 8x3 or something like that and i'd consider it</div></div>

Agreed, but it’s of teams are going to have a bid, so unless he WANTS to be here I think it’s going to have to come with term

Forum: Armchair-GM29 avr. à 23 h 26

Sujet: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>StDetroitBlueWings</b></div><div>Blues pass. Zero value there</div></div>

What are you looking for? A 1st has no value to you?

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