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Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs15 mars 2022 à 12 h 8

Sujet: It is time to face the facts.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Toronto at the TDL

1. Bury Mrazek
2. Trade for a new backup goalie (Forsberg or Vajmelka)
3. Trade for one of Giordano or Demelo
4. Trade for a depth forward or two (Namestnikov, Ennis, Hinostroza, Sheahan, Donato, etc.)

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Sorry aadoyle, we well-seasoned Leaf fans know this type of trading only leaves the Trophy Shelf as empty as the Barn.

Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs15 mars 2022 à 12 h 1

Sujet: It is time to face the facts.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>email this to steve simmons at the toronto sun if you want to see it printed verbatim in a newspaper</div></div>

Ok, I don't claim to know Steve Simmons nor do I claim I could write for the Toronto Sun so I'm not sure what to say to this. I'm just expressing my view about the team I have been watching for 45 years now.

Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs14 mars 2022 à 13 h 35

Sujet: It is time to face the facts.

Is it possible that Leafs can outscore their defensive liabilities to win a 2022 cup?

We all know it, even if we won’t admit it aloud... the way this team is built has too many problems and no space to fix them. So why practice poor asset management when you know you are defeated. Being an original 6 team can be a curse. It took bravery for Shannan to “scorched-earth,” recalling he said, “we will have patience and do it the right way”. Well, it’s becoming more apparent that the right way now is a mini-retreat. I don’t like it, and I would never have agreed to it then, but if we fail to read the signs, we will watch all that promise we felt early in the rebuild continue to fade away until nothing is left but an empty barn. Another sad truth we must all face is the Tavares signing disrupted the PLAN and is now the cap-clamp that is ailing this team. Our scorched-earth-pain earned us Matthews, Marner, and Nylander; they are our true core we must face it before it is too late.

Johnny must go now, not in the offseason. I fear the cost otherwise!

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals14 mars 2022 à 13 h 0

Sujet: Giordano

Why Blackwell?

I haven't seen Giordano (38-years-old-LHD) play this year, however, his game has been on a decline for half a decade now and I fail to see how -21 plus/minus is going to help the Leafs address their defensive woes.

The days of throwing away futures for legendary names with heavy legs need to be buried forever.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals14 mars 2022 à 12 h 49

Sujet: Approved Fix For Leafs Number One

For the Leaf's this would be a bandaid on top of a bandaid. Not interested in Braun, Crouse, or Konecny in any way.

Crouse's style of hockey is so 90s and officiated against in today's NHL
Konecny is comparable to a grossly overpaid Bunting. (Bad Contract Value)
Justin Braun (35-year-old-RHD) seriously, are you suggesting getting rid of 22-year-old RHD (projected as a top-four) and a 25-year-old LHD #6 in fair value?

FYI, Sanheim (6'3", 181lbs. LHD) is no defenseman he is basically a winger playing defence. Simply put, he has poor defensive numbers and this guy is going to fix what ails the Leaf's

I think not PeteKyte

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals13 mars 2022 à 17 h 21

Sujet: Demko to Tor I hate it

Sold!
Demko is worth this price but Vancouver would be stupid to do it.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals13 mars 2022 à 17 h 17

Sujet: Toronto gets goalie with Kessel retained

Too much futures from Leaf’s for a Gamble, and Kessel nope, no way, been there got the T-shirt. In Fact I believe we are still paying for him to leave. Well worth the price if you ask me.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals12 mars 2022 à 16 h 58

Sujet: Montreal retains

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EatMyScoobySnack</b></div><div>If Calgary offer one of the French QC prospect to Habs for retain salary I think they would be willing to do it. But personally I won't do it if it's other results them a prospect because its limit yourself to do trade and retain salary as the limit is 3 contract at same time. So Chariot, Lehkonen or any other you want to retain salary you may not be able if your doing this for no exceptional return.</div></div>

<a href="/users/EatMyScoobySnack" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@EatMyScoobySnack</a> I want to know what you mean but the way this is written confuses me, could you edit it to emphasize what you mean better?

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals12 mars 2022 à 16 h 53

Sujet: Leafs get Flower

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dutchies</b></div><div>So CHI is paying us to take Fleury and Hagel? C'mon man 3 cap dumps and a lower pick isn't gonna do it......</div></div>

<a href="/users/Dutchies" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Dutchies</a> do you really think Dermot and Kerfoot are cap dumps? Shows how sparse cap space is in Toronto when we quantify them that way. Meaning neither is a bad contract. SO CONFUSING!

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals12 mars 2022 à 12 h 51

Sujet: Hockey trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rhea</b></div><div>That wouldn't do it.</div></div>

<a href="/users/Rhea" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Rhea</a> agreed!
But at least a conversation could begin, but no guarantees. I admit Nylander typically rides the roller coaster production-wise. But his value is well suited to his contract. Trading him would be a mistake.

Chychrun is a LDH and I truly believe Sandin will rise in a reliable top 4 LHD making Muzzin expandable if not already.

As for Schmaltz I'm not interested much, to be honest! so meh!

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals12 mars 2022 à 12 h 40

Sujet: canucks call up martin leafs get a goalie

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Canucks1972</b></div><div>Done</div></div>

Interesting, I would never have thought someone could undervalue Mrázek like this. Let's be clear, it is not like either is a bonafide starter anymore. So it comes down to the contracts and more specifically Toronto's narrowed cap space. So on that basis, this could work. Clever proposal! But I would pass at this time.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals12 mars 2022 à 12 h 29

Sujet: Montreal retains

Monahan is or was a quality player. Not sure that is the case anymore. Nonetheless, I don't see how adding him helps fix any of Toronto's areas of concern.

Plus, why would the Habs ever help the Buds by taking on useless salary for only a couple of 4th round coin flips? Just bad business for the original 6 rivals.

Now, I can see why as a flames fan you'd cross your fingers, but I let me say it to you straight... not a chance!

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals12 mars 2022 à 12 h 18

Sujet: Hockey trade

Replace Nylander with Muzzin and I think a negotiation begins.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals9 mars 2022 à 18 h 37

Sujet: I hate this trade btw

I don't see why Nylander is in this trade.
Chicago announced they are committing to rebuild, so... wouldn't that make Nylander's age problematic? If a rebuild takes five years to regain contention status, Nylander will be 30 by then, with a career of disappointment and loss behind him. Not a recipe for success.

Also, not sure how De Haan fits.
He'd likely be 3rd on the Left Side, which only supplants Sandin's and Dermott's development path. Sorry, we need a stay-at-home top pairing right-handed defender... De Haan is not that.

Gabriel, Kurtis. is a 28-year-old minor league player. Curious!

Kubalik, Dominik. He is 6'+ but only 178lbs. he had a great start to his NHL career but has cooled significantly of late. He seems to be a defensive liability.

I can't like this deal either. I'm not a Holl fan, but I feel 2 million/per is the correct value for him. The problem is the coach keeps throwing Holl's 2million worth into a position that requires a 5 million player of value.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals9 mars 2022 à 14 h 21

Sujet: Lefty for a Righty small hockey deal

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>boyd1212</b></div><div>NSH is long on LHD and Carrier is very good. NSH declines.</div></div>

I did notice Preds' LHD was strong today. I hear your point but I was thinking more ahead say in a few years. Hypothetically, Dermott would play 6 spots behind those quality two 31-year-old players learning defence in a system of defence. Therefore, he will be positioned to move up when those legs start to slow (it's inevitable sadly).

I never figured this was a slam dunk. As a Leaf fan, I feel for Dermott because Sandin has much more to offer and Reilly likely isn't going anywhere.

Dermott can be much more in the right space.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals9 mars 2022 à 14 h 6

Sujet: Unlikely however good value for all

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>The_bigdrewer1</b></div><div>I made a account to tell you how bad of a deal this is for Toronto you got to be out of your mind do better I would be embarrassed if I ever thought of a trade this bad</div></div>

However, you provided no evidence to support your claim. Why is it so bad? The point is to engage in discussion. But I guess whoever you are we should bow down to your superiority because you think you know best. Yet you have given nothing to the discussion.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals9 mars 2022 à 13 h 56

Sujet: Lefty for a Righty small hockey deal

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tntpod</b></div><div>Carrier is worth 5x more than Dermott.</div></div>

They are different players so I can't agree with your attempt to quantify but I get it.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals8 mars 2022 à 21 h 23

Sujet: Is This PKs Value

With all due respect, you can't possibly think PK is worth this hoard of assets anymore, do you?

I may be mistaken, but it would be an overpayment if PK gets more than a late 2nd round pick.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals8 mars 2022 à 21 h 16

Sujet: Toronto gets LW and 2nd pair D

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mikearky</b></div><div>Seider is a non starter.</div></div>

So is Stützle, and
all the 1st round picks.

I get it <a href="/users/CrazyCanuck" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@CrazyCanuck</a>, I really do but before you post your proposal take a step back and role play as if you were the GM of each of these teams. For each asks yourself would you still have a job the day after this trade. If not then don't publish.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals8 mars 2022 à 21 h 8

Sujet: I Love This Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CRC</b></div><div>Leafs decline</div></div>

I agree, Leaf's hang-up phone and block number from future calls. Sorry!

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals8 mars 2022 à 21 h 2

Sujet: Unlikely however good value for all

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>remowilliams</b></div><div>We have Schenn playing with Hughes. While is doing a great job hes not a long term solution.Hence our need for the stud RD. Myers is also having a career year playing with OEL.But again both are not long term solutions.</div></div>

I'd take Myers any day!

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals8 mars 2022 à 18 h 45

Sujet: Unlikely however good value for all

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gmonwy</b></div><div>It was part of the trade. He immediately signed a 9.5x8 extension</div></div>

Really!

If Tavares is gone it is more likely we can find a way. But I hear ya.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals8 mars 2022 à 18 h 2

Sujet: Unlikely however good value for all

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>remowilliams</b></div><div>We need stud RD to play with Hughes. This trade does nothing for us sorry no fit here.</div></div>

Ok, I trust your assessment as a fan who watches. Having spent a decade on Vancouver Island I assure you I'm not trying to fleece the Canucks. I don't get to watch them much due to the time difference but what is going on with Myers then.

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals8 mars 2022 à 17 h 55

Sujet: Unlikely however good value for all

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gmonwy</b></div><div>Toronto can't afford Jones' extension</div></div>

How much do you think it will be?

Forum: Trade Machine Proposals8 mars 2022 à 17 h 54

Sujet: Unlikely however good value for all

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>remowilliams</b></div><div>so we trade Horvat and Boeser and a third . we get 31 yr old with 4 years 11 million and an unproven rookie in a position we do not need. Canucks decline. come on are you serious here.</div></div>

I am not trying to argue with you but I respectfully disagree.

It's hard to believe anyone thinks so poorly of Tavares. He will finish his NHL career (6 years from now) as a point-a-game player. How can anyone overlook that? The problem isn't his contract because all teams can have 1 maybe 2 10+ million contracts but three is too much.

Next, didn't, Roberston just snipe top shelf on Demko, and you call that unproven. Last I checked Demko is a great goalie.

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