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Forum: Armchair-GM7 août 2021 à 17 h 16
Sujet: What Eichel in Boston would look like
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BallPuckFellow10</b></div><div>You are spot on here. A deal is definitely here to be made if both parties want to.</div></div>

That's the trick. My fear is perfectly stated better than I could have put it here:

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Or in a Buffalo jealously despises the Bruins world...</div></div>

Still, if you overpay Buffalo might just do it. Make the overpay good enough they might even retain $1M to make it happen (I know Buffalo fans say no way but ypu never know what a team will do to get it over the finish line).

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Ya, the bruins probably don’t want to give up two firsts, debrusk, frederic, Beecher, and studnicka. And that still doesn’t work with the cap this year.</div></div>

If you're getting Eichel, 1 and 2 C are locked up so the C depth (weak as it already is) is less critical. One of Beecher, Frederic, or Studnicka and Curtis Hall probably doesn't get it done. I would think at least 2 to be a convincing overpay.

Most likely way Boston lands him isn't the NMC (which means almost nothing as his alternative to not waiving would be to stay in Buffalo). It'd be a sneaky three way trade. Say Minnesota or LA goes and gets him then flips him to Boston immediately. Tricky and unlikely but not impossible.
Forum: Armchair-GM7 août 2021 à 15 h 29
Sujet: What Eichel in Boston would look like
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BallPuckFellow10</b></div><div>Haha what a coincidence. I can see Boston sending Debrusk, Studnicka, Frederick and a couple of 1st rounders as they most likely will be later picks. At least something in that ballpark. I think they can make the deal between themselves and Buffalo. Its not like Buffalo don't have any room to retain. Moving Wagner shouldn't be a problem. Moore is the biggest question. How do you move that contract.</div></div>

I think Buffalo takes Moore no problem in an Eichel deal. Maybe add Curtis Hall as another low level center prospect since it's in division but you're probably close. Debrusk, 2 1sts, Moore, at least 2 but maybe 3 of Studnicka Frederic, Beecher, or Curtis Hall.
Forum: Buffalo Sabres7 août 2021 à 11 h 10
Sujet: Whose fault leverage and Eichel minimum
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>I agree that Georgiev adds very little here, but it's just that average goalies don't have crazy value, they don't, but he wants a chance at a starting job, and it gives the rangers a chance to pretend that he has more value than he does. Adams dropped the ball last season- it was painfully obvious that entering the season with oft injured ullmark and washed up Carter Hutton was just an awful idea. He chose to do just that and we got to see what actual bad goaltending looks like, but that is not a reason to overvalue goaltending. You just need to be average, its the smart play, spend assets on skaters in front of the goalie. Also, nobody has mentioned fox, the rangers have 2 young good right shot d in Schneider and lundkvist, one of those makes sense, but it won't be fox. As for eichel, he's tremendously talented, I expect the adr to be performed at some point, and him to play at a world class level again. As far as being a good guy goes, not sure if it matters at all, seems like eichel is no Josh Allen, but hes no Evander kane either. And speaking of guys named kane, Patrick kane has made some poor choices away from the rink, he's made better choices as time has gone by, and he won 3 cups despite it all.</div></div>

Now that's how intelligent feedback is done. Thank you!
Forum: Buffalo Sabres7 août 2021 à 7 h 22
Sujet: Whose fault leverage and Eichel minimum
The brief answer is what it always is: both sides.

Where the Sabres went wrong:

1. Let Eichel get the artificial disk replacement. Is it risky? Hell yes. Does the CBA allow you to dictate the surgery as the team? Sort of. Will Eichel win medical arbitration? Hell no. Still, it's not so outrageous a demand that, with the right liability waivers, Eichel shouldn't be allowed to make this call. Really bad move by the team even though Eichel's position is a bit crazy considering the lack of information.

2. If you insist on not letting him get the surgery and want him out of town, trade him by the draft. If the deals weren't there, just come out and state that you're not trading him and he'll have to deal with it or get suspended. Unless...the publicity is what you want (see below).

Eichel:

1. Grow up and act like an adult or at the very least like a rational person who doesn't sabotage his pwn way out of town. His agents can't be this stupid. Their statement and his twitter antics scream drunk, petulent idiot (remember his coming for you Buffalo drunk video from 2015 - clearly still the same guy) so he must have insisted over their objections. He's clearly going off the rails. All this means a trade is almost certainly further away than ever. The lower his value and the worse his public image, the more likely it is that the Sabres only option is to keep him. Having an easy villain for the fans is exactly what the Sabres PR team needs right now. Any coverage is good coverage in a rapidly dying hockey market. At least some Sabres fans feel something about the team...maybe?

So who has leverage? The question idiots on here debate with compelling and well thought out points like: "The Sabres have no leverage cause I say so!" and "Eichel has no leverage because I believe it!"

Let's look at some actual arguments...

Normally, the player but in this instance the team clearly has more.

1. Contract with conduct clauses - team wins. See below why suspending him doesn't matter and could be a good thing for the team.

2. Contract term - team wins. Self Explanatory. Don't have to trade him.

3. Medical arbitration - team almost certainly wins. Fusion is the proven, "safer" (from a tort perspective) option. This is not debatable at this point since the necessary data just doesn't exist on the disk replacement.

4. Bad publicity preventing players from signing in Buffalo? - team "wins". No one wants to be in Buffalo already.

5. Need the player as contending? - Team "wins".
Could not have lower expections. Eichel can sit out all year and no one cares.

6. Fans on the player's side? - Team wins. Eichel has been a PR disaster, Buffalo is a very pro-city, defensive town. Eichel is the villain. Especially looks bad in comparison to Josh Allen which is important in the market.

7. Bad publicity hurting fan base (ticket sales/ratings)? - Team "wins". Can't get much lower and at least some people are talking about the Sabres again.

8. Value proposition - Team "wins" now. Value doesn't appear to be there and appears to be getting farther away so might as well keep him.

9. NMC clause - his alternative to waiving is staying in Buffalo longer - team clearly wins in a catastrophic blowout. Anyone who argues that the NMC matters is an idiot. It takes maybe the Ducks out of it if they get back in. Probably not.

10. Some moron said Eichel could retire and just come back to another team. Not how contracts work - Stop being stupid, people. No need to declare who wins. Absolutely profound idiocy.

11. Eichel can go rogue and get his own surgery - suspend him and don't pay him - cheap team owners win, Eichel walks away from $10M minimum. (No, they won't terminate his contract. He'll just be suspended without pay until he's healthy enough to prove he can play.)

12. Eichel is toxic to the team - Eichel probably "wins". Bad for the young kids, also bad for Eichel in future contract negotiations (and Bruins are excellent hardnosed negotiators).

So what did I get wrong/forget? Saying "I disagree" is an opinion, not a fact. Support opinions with substantive rationale to be taken seriously (well, maybe). Otherwise, you're an idiot. I'm sure some of you can manage...

So what does Buffalo need to just get this over with? Minimums below.

Massively overpay a remaining UFA center and flip 50% retained at the TDL.
Forum: Armchair-GM7 août 2021 à 4 h 59
Sujet: Adding Olofsson to the Eichel Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>As far as I’m concerned I went out of my way to make this a complete overpay given the circumstances, and frankly I find it unbelievable that you legitimately think otherwise.</div></div>

Just a great comment showing loads of self awareness and noooo cognitive bias at all. Even the diction is telling: "as far as I'm concerned" implies you give waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much weight to the value of your own opinion. Nice intellectual integrity. If this was truly your intention, you failed spectacularly!

Honestly, the offer is in the neighborhood of fair (which is what makes this so sublimely entertaining in its irony) but your defenses of it are completely ridiculous. You were doing so well until you figuratively opened your mouth...
Forum: Armchair-GM7 août 2021 à 4 h 54
Sujet: Adding Olofsson to the Eichel Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Buffalove</b></div><div>Well i could barely get past the first couple lines of your inaccuracies,
so you’ll have to forgive me for not finishing reading your rant
BUT….
1- Eichel is signed for FIVE MORE YEARS
That means we have PLENTY OF LEVERAGE for the next 4
2- The Sabres have an ENORMOUS amount of Cap space,
And can take back whatever contracts are needed so that Jack can fit on his new team

Your first 2 points were so horrendously off base that i stopped there
Have a good night
And hope u get some rest, u clearly need it</div></div>

Gotta love the no leverage comments. Laziest takes ever. I read them as "I have no argument for my ridiculously stupid proposed deal so I'm going to parrot something I've heard but don't understand, blah, blah, blah..."

Between the contract term, the CBA, and the petulent dumpster fire that has been Eichel's handling of the situation, the Sabres have far more leverage than he does. Cry all he wants, they don't have to move him. He keeps acting like a child, he gets suspended and not paid. There are conduct clauses in every NHL contract.

He'll also lose medical arbitration due to the lack of longitudinal data on the artificial disk replacement and complete lack of comparable high impact sports data (longitudinal or otherwise) so his options are limited.

But no...Eichel somehow has all the leverage... He can just walk away from millions and give up his career... Obviously.

Not to mention how high the expectations are for the Sabres this year... Can't just bench him! Might cost them 4 or 5 of the 30 additional wins they'll probably need to make the playoffs...

One clown on here even said he could retire for five minutes and unretire to get out of his contract in a ridiculous attempt to justify a "no leverage" comment. Not how contract law works.

Despair for the on-average idiocy of humanity...
Forum: Armchair-GM6 août 2021 à 15 h 46