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miller to rags discussion

Créé par: BenningTruther
Équipe: 2022-23 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 6 juill. 2022
Publié: 6 juill. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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VAN
  1. Kakko, Kaapo [Droits de RFA]
  2. Schneider, Braden
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
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i can already see rags fan saying schnider is untouchable and maybe he is. but he would be my main target in a miller to NYR trade. not to high on lundqvist because of his size but maybe allvin wants to bring in more swedes. kakko could also be swapped out for another asset (2023 1st) which would give the canucks two picks in a stacked draft. let me know what you think
NYR
  1. Miller, J.T.
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (VAN)
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6 juill. 2022 à 16 h 25
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That just goes to show that Miller is producing similarly to your top players. That means Miller would be one of your top players. Is that so hard to accept?


Ok so why does Fiala (82g 85p) go for the 19th overall pick and a defensive prospect but miller should go for a defenseman who played very well in his rookie year, a 2oa pick from 3 years ago (a d yes I get kakko has struggled but he was injured this last year and coach put him on the 3rd line mainly but started to play well in the playoffs) and a 1st?
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he started deleting posts idt hes coming back lol


Who deleted post because it definitely wasn't me
6 juill. 2022 à 16 h 28
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Quoting: NYRxLundqvist
Ok so why does Fiala (82g 85p) go for the 19th overall pick and a defensive prospect but miller should go for a defenseman who played very well in his rookie year, a 2oa pick from 3 years ago (a d yes I get kakko has struggled but he was injured this last year and coach put him on the 3rd line mainly but started to play well in the playoffs) and a 1st?


not a 1st.... a late 2nd. also a mid 4th going back to NYR so only moving back around 45 picks. and kakko's value is very hard to place right now but it is nowhere near 2 OA. miller also a centre making less. im truly not sure how its hard to see he will go for more than fiala
6 juill. 2022 à 16 h 32
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Ok so why does Fiala (82g 85p) go for the 19th overall pick and a defensive prospect but miller should go for a defenseman who played very well in his rookie year, a 2oa pick from 3 years ago (a d yes I get kakko has struggled but he was injured this last year and coach put him on the 3rd line mainly but started to play well in the playoffs) and a 1st?


Hate to break it to you, Schneider’s analytics were very bad in his limited role . Obviously he’s young and will get better but I would t exactly call his sheltered rookie season “player very well”. Honestly if we desperately wanted Kakko, we might as well OS him
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Never seen a fan base so jealous of the Rangers and their players. So awesome, keep going.
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Hate to break it to you, Schneider’s analytics were very bad in his limited role . Obviously he’s young and will get better but I would t exactly call his sheltered rookie season “player very well”. Honestly if we desperately wanted Kakko, we might as well OS him


your making too much sense stop!!!
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Quoting: xcleversey8
your making too much sense stop!!!


Yet you all demand Schneider be part of any trade. Your jealousy is so transparent and funny, keep going.
6 juill. 2022 à 16 h 41
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Quoting: Fotiu4U
Never seen a fan base so jealous of the Rangers and their players. So awesome, keep going.


I honestly don't know why I keep going... it's like have the conversation with leafs fans who think matthews is better than McDavid or the best American player of all time
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6 juill. 2022 à 16 h 48
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Yet you all demand Schneider be part of any trade. Your jealousy is so transparent and funny, keep going.


Schneider has the POTENTIAL to help us. Doesn’t mean he is already a superstar. Your jealousy of Miller producing well on another team is transparent and funny. Keep going. Convince me why Miller is not a great player. Your GM and you seem to have quite different opinions because I don’t think a GM would actively persue a player and make an offer if they didn’t want the player. Does that make sense to you?
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Quoting: Fotiu4U
Yet you all demand Schneider be part of any trade. Your jealousy is so transparent and funny, keep going.


not demanding Schneider, just saying thats who i would target. just think its funny that most fanbases have a list of 10 prospects that are "untouchable" for a 99 point guy. gotta give value to get value. simple as.
not sure how targeting a position of need for the canucks equates to jelousy
6 juill. 2022 à 16 h 54
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Schneider has the POTENTIAL to help us. Doesn’t mean he is already a superstar. Your jealousy of Miller producing well on another team is transparent and funny. Keep going. Convince me why Miller is not a great player. Your GM and you seem to have quite different opinions because I don’t think a GM would actively persue a player and make an offer if they didn’t want the player. Does that make sense to you?


Yeah he produced on the rangers before he was traded and also had attitude problems. Which seems like he still does from the video that came put last season at practice
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I try to keep bias out of it but they're like (please read like a caveman) "jt Canuck jt good hockey player jt worth world"


really not sure how schnieder, kakko (who could easily be offer sheeted for a 2nd) and a pick swap where you move back 45 picks, is asking for the world for a centreman coming off a 99 point year making a bargain contract...
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really not sure how schnieder, kakko (who could easily be offer sheeted for a 2nd) and a pick swap where you move back 45 picks, is asking for the world for a centreman coming off a 99 point year making a bargain contract...


Kakko just get matched on a 4mil offer so...
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Yeah he produced on the rangers before he was traded and also had attitude problems. Which seems like he still does from the video that came put last season at practice


Please provide the video that came out last season at practice.
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Kakko just get matched on a 4mil offer so...


4 mil for Kakko could easily backfire. That means you are counting on him to break out like Jack Hughes did. As you said, Rags don’t have cap space to waste.
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Please provide the video that came out last season at practice.


You can find it, I'm not here to satisfy your delusions
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Schneider has the POTENTIAL to help us. Doesn’t mean he is already a superstar. Your jealousy of Miller producing well on another team is transparent and funny. Keep going. Convince me why Miller is not a great player. Your GM and you seem to have quite different opinions because I don’t think a GM would actively persue a player and make an offer if they didn’t want the player. Does that make sense to you?


You obviously are in a different reality. I have never said Schneider is a superstar already OR that Miller isn't a very good player. What I have always said is Schneider is not available for trade due to his age, cost, size, skill and potential. And I have never said anything but positive things about Miller as a player, what I have always said is the cost you fans post for him as trade is way to high for a RENTAL. You just ignore that and think the Rangers should pay top dollar for a rental, but that's a pure pipe dream. Keep dreaming about it, but it never happens, and keep spewing non truths as well, because you're obviously desperate and unhappy with the Canucks. Can't blame you there.
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4 mil for Kakko could easily backfire. That means you are counting on him to break out like Jack Hughes did. As you said, Rags don’t have cap space to waste.


When did I say rags don't have cap space to waste
6 juill. 2022 à 17 h 0
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really not sure how schnieder, kakko (who could easily be offer sheeted for a 2nd) and a pick swap where you move back 45 picks, is asking for the world for a centreman coming off a 99 point year making a bargain contract...


Because he would be a RENTAL. Is that too hard for your mind to comprehend????
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Quoting: NYRxLundqvist
You can find it, I'm not here to satisfy your delusions


I’m not the one making claims and not backing them up with any evidence. You want to debate? Back your “facts” up with evidence and proof. From what I’ve seen, Miller is good leader for the Canucks. All that lockeroom drama reported earlier turned out to be completely fake news. Miller does not have attitude problems anymore. He’s grown up and maybe you should to
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not demanding Schneider, just saying thats who i would target. just think its funny that most fanbases have a list of 10 prospects that are "untouchable" for a 99 point guy. gotta give value to get value. simple as.
not sure how targeting a position of need for the canucks equates to jelousy


The repeated posts from Canuck fans day after day is the jealousy. Not hard to spot.
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Because he would be a RENTAL. Is that too hard for your mind to comprehend????


When guys like Chiarot, Savard, Foligno fetch first round picks as a rental at the deadline, it’s not out of the question that an actually good player like Miller can fetch more. You guys traded a first round pick + for Copp. Miller is a lot better than Copp
6 juill. 2022 à 17 h 2
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The repeated posts from Canuck fans day after day is the jealousy. Not hard to spot.

The repeated crying about Rangers traded day after day is not hard to spit either. Have you ever had anything positive to say before?
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When did I say rags don't have cap space to waste


The entire argument from Rangers fans is that they can’t afford to extend Miller to a new contract
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The entire argument from Rangers fans is that they can’t afford to extend Miller to a new contract


could easily match a 4mil kakko offersheet. but cant give miller a less than 4mil raise so that he wouldnt be a rental..... logic
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