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ARI trade

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Équipe: 2016-17 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 10 juin 2016
Publié: 10 juin 2016
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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This is what OEL value is. I don't think TML does it.
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TOR
  1. Duclair, Anthony
  2. Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
Détails additionnels:
2017 2nd round pick

Say what you want but OEL is worth more than Matthews
ARI
  1. Gardiner, Jake
Détails additionnels:
2016 1st round pick (1st OA)
Rachats de contrats
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2173 000 000 $66 968 666 $512 000 $1 015 000 $6 031 334 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
C
UFA - 6
5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
AD
NMC
UFA - 4
4 250 000 $4 250 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
4 200 000 $4 200 000 $
C, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
2 650 000 $2 650 000 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
2 950 000 $2 950 000 $
AD, AG, C
UFA - 2
693 333 $693 333 $ (Bonis de performance165 000 $$165K)
AG
UFA - 2
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD
UFA - 2
772 500 $772 500 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
863 333 $863 333 $
C
UFA - 2
575 000 $575 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 6
4 150 000 $4 150 000 $
G
UFA - 1
3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
575 000 $575 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 3

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10 juin 2016 à 13 h 6
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As a leafs Fan, No Thnx
10 juin 2016 à 13 h 11
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As a hockey fan and a sane person, OMG NO!!

OEL is a great D but c'mon.....a true #1 Center in the mold of Kopitar or Toews is unbelievably difficult to find.
10 juin 2016 à 13 h 15
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As a hockey fan and a sane person, OMG NO!!

OEL is a great D but c'mon.....a true #1 Center in the mold of Kopitar or Toews is unbelievably difficult to find.


I think that is the point, though. OEL is great. He is 24(?). He is a #1 D man on 25 teams. He is ELITE.

He won't be traded for 1st OA unless ARI has no reason to say no. Just like TML have no reason to trade 1st OA unless they can't say no.
10 juin 2016 à 13 h 17
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It's funny but I really don't have any interest in OEL, we already have Rielly and Gardiner for offensive defenseman, I'm very biased but the only way I would trade the no. 1 pick is for Strome, Dvorak, #7, #20, Domi but I really don't even think I would take that deal, although they're great prospects it comes down to quality over quantity and I'm not passing up on a Toews for anything
10 juin 2016 à 13 h 19
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As a hockey fan and a sane person, OMG NO!!

OEL is a great D but c'mon.....a true #1 Center in the mold of Kopitar or Toews is unbelievably difficult to find.


I think that is the point, though. OEL is great. He is 24(?). He is a #1 D man on 25 teams. He is ELITE.

He won't be traded for 1st OA unless ARI has no reason to say no. Just like TML have no reason to trade 1st OA unless they can't say no.


If a trade gets done with these two teams it will be a huge amount of parts to it. ARI WILL have to put both their 1st rounds plus OEL as a starting point. No question about it. I can see Jake Gardiner going back the other way in that kind of a scenario. It may be an overpayment but you don't get a chance to draft a 1C very often.
10 juin 2016 à 13 h 25
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As a hockey fan and a sane person, OMG NO!!

OEL is a great D but c'mon.....a true #1 Center in the mold of Kopitar or Toews is unbelievably difficult to find.


I think that is the point, though. OEL is great. He is 24(?). He is a #1 D man on 25 teams. He is ELITE.

He won't be traded for 1st OA unless ARI has no reason to say no. Just like TML have no reason to trade 1st OA unless they can't say no.


If a trade gets done with these two teams it will be a huge amount of parts to it. ARI WILL have to put both their 1st rounds plus OEL as a starting point. No question about it. I can see Jake Gardiner going back the other way in that kind of a scenario. It may be an overpayment but you don't get a chance to draft a 1C very often.


But ARI drafted a 1C last year lol...
10 juin 2016 à 13 h 26
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As a hockey fan and a sane person, OMG NO!!

OEL is a great D but c'mon.....a true #1 Center in the mold of Kopitar or Toews is unbelievably difficult to find.


I think that is the point, though. OEL is great. He is 24(?). He is a #1 D man on 25 teams. He is ELITE.

He won't be traded for 1st OA unless ARI has no reason to say no. Just like TML have no reason to trade 1st OA unless they can't say no.


If a trade gets done with these two teams it will be a huge amount of parts to it. ARI WILL have to put both their 1st rounds plus OEL as a starting point. No question about it. I can see Jake Gardiner going back the other way in that kind of a scenario. It may be an overpayment but you don't get a chance to draft a 1C very often.


But ARI drafted a 1C last year lol...


Strome isn't the Caliber of Matthews, it's like comparing Duchene to Tavares, Duchene is really good and is a solid option for a number 1 centerman but Tavares will carry your team for 15 years
10 juin 2016 à 13 h 27
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It's funny but I really don't have any interest in OEL, we already have Rielly and Gardiner for offensive defenseman, I'm very biased but the only way I would trade the no. 1 pick is for Strome, Dvorak, #7, #20, Domi but I really don't even think I would take that deal, although they're great prospects it comes down to quality over quantity and I'm not passing up on a Toews for anything


Not sure how literal you are being. I'm sure you would move the pick for McDavid or Eichel though, among a few other players.
10 juin 2016 à 13 h 31
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As a hockey fan and a sane person, OMG NO!!

OEL is a great D but c'mon.....a true #1 Center in the mold of Kopitar or Toews is unbelievably difficult to find.


I think that is the point, though. OEL is great. He is 24(?). He is a #1 D man on 25 teams. He is ELITE.

He won't be traded for 1st OA unless ARI has no reason to say no. Just like TML have no reason to trade 1st OA unless they can't say no.


If a trade gets done with these two teams it will be a huge amount of parts to it. ARI WILL have to put both their 1st rounds plus OEL as a starting point. No question about it. I can see Jake Gardiner going back the other way in that kind of a scenario. It may be an overpayment but you don't get a chance to draft a 1C very often.


But ARI drafted a 1C last year lol...


Strome isn't the Caliber of Matthews, it's like comparing Duchene to Tavares, Duchene is really good and is a solid option for a number 1 centerman but Tavares will carry your team for 15 years


Exactly
10 juin 2016 à 13 h 32
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It's funny but I really don't have any interest in OEL, we already have Rielly and Gardiner for offensive defenseman, I'm very biased but the only way I would trade the no. 1 pick is for Strome, Dvorak, #7, #20, Domi but I really don't even think I would take that deal, although they're great prospects it comes down to quality over quantity and I'm not passing up on a Toews for anything


Not sure how literal you are being. I'm sure you would move the pick for McDavid or Eichel though, among a few other players.


I would not trade Matthews for Eichel. At all.
10 juin 2016 à 13 h 33
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It's funny but I really don't have any interest in OEL, we already have Rielly and Gardiner for offensive defenseman, I'm very biased but the only way I would trade the no. 1 pick is for Strome, Dvorak, #7, #20, Domi but I really don't even think I would take that deal, although they're great prospects it comes down to quality over quantity and I'm not passing up on a Toews for anything


Not sure how literal you are being. I'm sure you would move the pick for McDavid or Eichel though, among a few other players.


I would not trade Matthews for Eichel. At all.


Oh then you don't watch hockey? Assuming someone told you they heard he would have went 2nd last year? That would be wrong. Everyone said then and almost everyone says now Eichel would still be the 2nd pick.
10 juin 2016 à 13 h 33
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It's funny but I really don't have any interest in OEL, we already have Rielly and Gardiner for offensive defenseman, I'm very biased but the only way I would trade the no. 1 pick is for Strome, Dvorak, #7, #20, Domi but I really don't even think I would take that deal, although they're great prospects it comes down to quality over quantity and I'm not passing up on a Toews for anything


Not sure how literal you are being. I'm sure you would move the pick for McDavid or Eichel though, among a few other players.


I would move him for McDavid alone, maybe Eichel and their 1st pick this year, maybe an Ekblad package (would have to include quite a bit more with Ekblad) but I can't think of too much more
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As a hockey fan and a sane person, OMG NO!!

OEL is a great D but c'mon.....a true #1 Center in the mold of Kopitar or Toews is unbelievably difficult to find.


I think that is the point, though. OEL is great. He is 24(?). He is a #1 D man on 25 teams. He is ELITE.

He won't be traded for 1st OA unless ARI has no reason to say no. Just like TML have no reason to trade 1st OA unless they can't say no.


If a trade gets done with these two teams it will be a huge amount of parts to it. ARI WILL have to put both their 1st rounds plus OEL as a starting point. No question about it. I can see Jake Gardiner going back the other way in that kind of a scenario. It may be an overpayment but you don't get a chance to draft a 1C very often.


But ARI drafted a 1C last year lol...


Strome isn't the Caliber of Matthews, it's like comparing Duchene to Tavares, Duchene is really good and is a solid option for a number 1 centerman but Tavares will carry your team for 15 years


Exactly
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As a hockey fan and a sane person, OMG NO!!

OEL is a great D but c'mon.....a true #1 Center in the mold of Kopitar or Toews is unbelievably difficult to find.


I think that is the point, though. OEL is great. He is 24(?). He is a #1 D man on 25 teams. He is ELITE.

He won't be traded for 1st OA unless ARI has no reason to say no. Just like TML have no reason to trade 1st OA unless they can't say no.


If a trade gets done with these two teams it will be a huge amount of parts to it. ARI WILL have to put both their 1st rounds plus OEL as a starting point. No question about it. I can see Jake Gardiner going back the other way in that kind of a scenario. It may be an overpayment but you don't get a chance to draft a 1C very often.


But ARI drafted a 1C last year lol...


Strome isn't the Caliber of Matthews, it's like comparing Duchene to Tavares, Duchene is really good and is a solid option for a number 1 centerman but Tavares will carry your team for 15 years


But you are ignoring the fact they would be trading OEL (24 year old stud d man which there are less of in the NHL) for a likely 1C? Seems silly to me when you already have young F depth. Top pairing 25-30 min D man >>>>>>> established 1C, never mind prospect.
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It's funny but I really don't have any interest in OEL, we already have Rielly and Gardiner for offensive defenseman, I'm very biased but the only way I would trade the no. 1 pick is for Strome, Dvorak, #7, #20, Domi but I really don't even think I would take that deal, although they're great prospects it comes down to quality over quantity and I'm not passing up on a Toews for anything


Not sure how literal you are being. I'm sure you would move the pick for McDavid or Eichel though, among a few other players.


I would move him for McDavid alone, maybe Eichel and their 1st pick this year, maybe an Ekblad package (would have to include quite a bit more with Ekblad) but I can't think of too much more


More than Eichel??????????? Why would Buffalo even do Eichel for the pick alone? Why would FLA trade Ekblad for the pick? lol. Bizarre....I thought I was a homer fan.
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It's funny but I really don't have any interest in OEL, we already have Rielly and Gardiner for offensive defenseman, I'm very biased but the only way I would trade the no. 1 pick is for Strome, Dvorak, #7, #20, Domi but I really don't even think I would take that deal, although they're great prospects it comes down to quality over quantity and I'm not passing up on a Toews for anything


Not sure how literal you are being. I'm sure you would move the pick for McDavid or Eichel though, among a few other players.


I would move him for McDavid alone, maybe Eichel and their 1st pick this year, maybe an Ekblad package (would have to include quite a bit more with Ekblad) but I can't think of too much more


More than Eichel??????????? Why would Buffalo even do Eichel for the pick alone? Why would FLA trade Ekblad for the pick? lol. Bizarre....I thought I was a homer fan.


From listening to many sports analysts and writers they say he would've gone 2nd last year, and those are just 3 players I consider being young Franchise players
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It's funny but I really don't have any interest in OEL, we already have Rielly and Gardiner for offensive defenseman, I'm very biased but the only way I would trade the no. 1 pick is for Strome, Dvorak, #7, #20, Domi but I really don't even think I would take that deal, although they're great prospects it comes down to quality over quantity and I'm not passing up on a Toews for anything


Not sure how literal you are being. I'm sure you would move the pick for McDavid or Eichel though, among a few other players.


I would move him for McDavid alone, maybe Eichel and their 1st pick this year, maybe an Ekblad package (would have to include quite a bit more with Ekblad) but I can't think of too much more


More than Eichel??????????? Why would Buffalo even do Eichel for the pick alone? Why would FLA trade Ekblad for the pick? lol. Bizarre....I thought I was a homer fan.


From listening to many sports analysts and writers they say he would've gone 2nd last year, and those are just 3 players I consider being young Franchise players


Better question...straight up for McDavid? Of course you would. But why would EDM not want a boat load more....?
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Also part of the reason I value a #1 centerman more than a defense is you can find cornerstone defenseman in the draft a lot easier than a centerman. (See Giordano/Brodie, Faulk, Keith, Suter, Subban, Weber/Josi, McDonaugh, Karlsson, Ghostisbhyere, Letang, Burns/Eduard Vlasic
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It's funny but I really don't have any interest in OEL, we already have Rielly and Gardiner for offensive defenseman, I'm very biased but the only way I would trade the no. 1 pick is for Strome, Dvorak, #7, #20, Domi but I really don't even think I would take that deal, although they're great prospects it comes down to quality over quantity and I'm not passing up on a Toews for anything


Not sure how literal you are being. I'm sure you would move the pick for McDavid or Eichel though, among a few other players.


I would move him for McDavid alone, maybe Eichel and their 1st pick this year, maybe an Ekblad package (would have to include quite a bit more with Ekblad) but I can't think of too much more


More than Eichel??????????? Why would Buffalo even do Eichel for the pick alone? Why would FLA trade Ekblad for the pick? lol. Bizarre....I thought I was a homer fan.


From listening to many sports analysts and writers they say he would've gone 2nd last year, and those are just 3 players I consider being young Franchise players


Better question...straight up for McDavid? Of course you would. But why would EDM not want a boat load more....?


McJesus is like Crosby and Matthews is stacking up to be a Toews, puts up points, is ultra competitive, loves a challenge and plays an amazing two way game, I definitely don't think EDM would take the deal at all because he's their saviour as Matthews is ours
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Also part of the reason I value a #1 centerman more than a defense is you can find cornerstone defenseman in the draft a lot easier than a centerman. (See Giordano/Brodie, Faulk, Keith, Suter, Subban, Weber/Josi, McDonaugh, Karlsson, Ghostisbhyere, Letang, Burns/Eduard Vlasic


All 30 NHL GM's would probably be on the fence. See Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Bergeron, Monahan, O'Reilly. There are a lot of young high end C's being drafted between 10-25 picks these days too.
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Also part of the reason I value a #1 centerman more than a defense is you can find cornerstone defenseman in the draft a lot easier than a centerman. (See Giordano/Brodie, Faulk, Keith, Suter, Subban, Weber/Josi, McDonaugh, Karlsson, Ghostisbhyere, Letang, Burns/Eduard Vlasic


All 30 NHL GM's would probably be on the fence. See Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Bergeron, Monahan, O'Reilly. There are a lot of young high end C's being drafted between 10-25 picks these days too.


I agree it's just my opinion and I saw your other posts and wanted to say I don't think its the value thats necessarily thats off its just what Matthews represents, we've tanked all year for him and I think to be a winner you need to groom your own number center and defenseman and I think that Rielly can be our number one defenseman. I also think that the ability to be the team that selects first overall is pretty special for a fan base too,
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Also part of the reason I value a #1 centerman more than a defense is you can find cornerstone defenseman in the draft a lot easier than a centerman. (See Giordano/Brodie, Faulk, Keith, Suter, Subban, Weber/Josi, McDonaugh, Karlsson, Ghostisbhyere, Letang, Burns/Eduard Vlasic


All 30 NHL GM's would probably be on the fence. See Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Bergeron, Monahan, O'Reilly. There are a lot of young high end C's being drafted between 10-25 picks these days too.


I agree it's just my opinion and I saw your other posts and wanted to say I don't think its the value thats necessarily thats off its just what Matthews represents, we've tanked all year for him and I think to be a winner you need to groom your own number center and defenseman and I think that Rielly can be our number one defenseman. I also think that the ability to be the team that selects first overall is pretty special for a fan base too,


The purpose of my post was that people keep asking for OEL, Domi, Duclair, Strome, 1st OA, etc, etc, etc. The fact is that won't happen.
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I really hope they don't make the trade
 
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