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Kunitz Returns to the Burgh

Créé par: PIT2212
Équipe: 2018-19 Penguins de Pittsburgh
Date de création initiale: 26 juin 2018
Publié: 26 juin 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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RFAANSCAP HIT
2850 000 $
32 500 000 $
21 500 000 $
21 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
21 500 000 $
12 500 000 $
21 750 000 $
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PIT
  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2019 (VAN)
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  1. Hunwick, Matt
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PIT
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2019 (CGY)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2380 000 000 $74 767 392 $0 $132 500 $5 232 608 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
734 167 $734 167 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
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UFA - 1
8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
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5 300 000 $5 300 000 $
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NTC
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1 875 000 $1 875 000 $
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9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
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750 000 $750 000 $
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UFA - 2
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
6 800 000 $6 800 000 $
AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
850 000 $850 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
750 000 $750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
925 000 $925 000 $
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UFA - 1
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
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7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
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UFA - 4
3 750 000 $3 750 000 $
G
UFA - 2
3 333 225 $3 333 225 $
DG
UFA - 4
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
G
UFA - 2
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
DG
UFA - 5
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
DG/DD
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650 000 $650 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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26 juin 2018 à 8 h 58
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Maybe 1M too much for Kunitz but I like the players and pretty realistic. Maybe take the Million from Kunitz and split between Moore and Nash.
26 juin 2018 à 9 h 6
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Well its thw only way he’s gettin a job next year so duh
26 juin 2018 à 9 h 18
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How does paying out the nose for a washed up Kunitz make the team any better than, say, outbidding the field on Rieder or Duclair? It's nonsense to think Kunitz can still contribute at this level: he was trash last year in the Cullen-esque "old vet on the bottom pairing" role, and he's not gonna improve.
26 juin 2018 à 9 h 40
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Quoting: Jake_H
How does paying out the nose for a washed up Kunitz make the team any better than, say, outbidding the field on Rieder or Duclair? It's nonsense to think Kunitz can still contribute at this level: he was trash last year in the Cullen-esque "old vet on the bottom pairing" role, and he's not gonna improve.


I agree that 2.5 Million is too much for Kunitz but to say that he isn't worth having on a 4th line is dumb. You coming on here and telling everyone they are dumb for making a logical team with 30 point guy that costs nothing while giving everyone a one star rating is trash...
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26 juin 2018 à 9 h 54
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Quoting: Mino42
I agree that 2.5 Million is too much for Kunitz but to say that he isn't worth having on a 4th line is dumb. You coming on here and telling everyone they are dumb for making a logical team with 30 point guy that costs nothing while giving everyone a one star rating is trash...


Any roster that has Kunitz on it deserves exactly one star. Hell, he only had one more point than Kuhnhackl did last postseason. Kunitz would be lucky to hit 25 points next year while blocking a legit prospect like Aston-Reese, who could definitely top 30 points next season in a bottom six role. It's bad cap management on top of bad player management without even getting into other misguided moves like Moore, Nash, and Jarry, so it deserves one star.
26 juin 2018 à 10 h 35
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Quoting: Jake_H
Any roster that has Kunitz on it deserves exactly one star. Hell, he only had one more point than Kuhnhackl did last postseason. Kunitz would be lucky to hit 25 points next year while blocking a legit prospect like Aston-Reese, who could definitely top 30 points next season in a bottom six role. It's bad cap management on top of bad player management without even getting into other misguided moves like Moore, Nash, and Jarry, so it deserves one star.


If you move out Sheary you can Play Aston-Reese on the 3rd line like he was before his injury, then having a 4th line with Kunitz and Rust on the wings could be very solid. Also a 4th line left wing is not going to make or break the teams ability to win the cup, because their main issue in the playoffs this year was getting zero help from anyone outside of their top line. Its ludicrous to be so damn critical of bringing in Kunitz on a one year deal.
26 juin 2018 à 11 h 56
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Quoting: bozie
If you move out Sheary you can Play Aston-Reese on the 3rd line like he was before his injury, then having a 4th line with Kunitz and Rust on the wings could be very solid. Also a 4th line left wing is not going to make or break the teams ability to win the cup, because their main issue in the playoffs this year was getting zero help from anyone outside of their top line. Its ludicrous to be so damn critical of bringing in Kunitz on a one year deal.


What does Kunitz bring to the table that the Pens can't possibly get elsewhere? It's a million dollars down the tubes for a guy that's been declining going on four straight years now, who brings nothing special to the table and will only get worse as time passes. There has to be a better way to fill that spot and use that money.
26 juin 2018 à 13 h 33
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Quoting: Jake_H
What does Kunitz bring to the table that the Pens can't possibly get elsewhere? It's a million dollars down the tubes for a guy that's been declining going on four straight years now, who brings nothing special to the table and will only get worse as time passes. There has to be a better way to fill that spot and use that money.

All I ever see you do is go online and bash other people’s teams. I can’t remember the last time you made a team. How about you stop being the a**hole that you are and actually comment something that isn’t rude and makes sense. Kunitz would bring a more physical presence to our wingers. Yes we have Hornqvist, but it’s only Hornqvist. And also, Kunitz didn’t have any experience in TB do you really think he will do well with no chemistry. He played for the Pens and would have great chemistry leading to possibly a higher scoring season. So again screw off and how about you make a worthwhile team. And I didn’t know you were JR do you know what’s best for the Pens or not. I think not. This is supposed to be for fun this website and make your own predictions and people comment constructive criticism not your dumb and that is stupid. But hey not my fault you a d bag.
26 juin 2018 à 13 h 46
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All I ever see you do is go online and bash other people’s teams. I can’t remember the last time you made a team. How about you stop being the a**hole that you are and actually comment something that isn’t rude and makes sense. Kunitz would bring a more physical presence to our wingers. Yes we have Hornqvist, but it’s only Hornqvist. And also, Kunitz didn’t have any experience in TB do you really think he will do well with no chemistry. He played for the Pens and would have great chemistry leading to possibly a higher scoring season. So again screw off and how about you make a worthwhile team. And I didn’t know you were JR do you know what’s best for the Pens or not. I think not. This is supposed to be for fun this website and make your own predictions and people comment constructive criticism not your dumb and that is stupid. But hey not my fault you a d bag.


That legendary chemistry with Crosby, who he won't be playing with because he's been replaced by Guentzel? Or the chemistry with Geno that was great in 2012 but meaningless now because Kunitz doesn't belong anywhere near Malkins wing? When people post good teams (rare as that may be) i give them good ratings, and I can only say 100% constructive things about the same topic so many times. Signing Kunitz for any amount is a waste of time, so any team with him is getting a bad rating. I didn't know there were rules about calling bad moves bad, and I at least try and keep it civil.
26 juin 2018 à 14 h 34
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Quoting: Jake_H
What does Kunitz bring to the table that the Pens can't possibly get elsewhere? It's a million dollars down the tubes for a guy that's been declining going on four straight years now, who brings nothing special to the table and will only get worse as time passes. There has to be a better way to fill that spot and use that money.


You would only be saving $250k against the cap since the minimum replacement is Simon who counts for $750k. Your comments about whether or not he fits in the line up are a valid argument, but the fact that he would be a waste of money is just false. (I'm working under the assumption that he will get a 1 year for $1 million, and not the $2.5 million in this example)
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27 juin 2018 à 9 h 10
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Quoting: Jake_H
That legendary chemistry with Crosby, who he won't be playing with because he's been replaced by Guentzel? Or the chemistry with Geno that was great in 2012 but meaningless now because Kunitz doesn't belong anywhere near Malkins wing? When people post good teams (rare as that may be) i give them good ratings, and I can only say 100% constructive things about the same topic so many times. Signing Kunitz for any amount is a waste of time, so any team with him is getting a bad rating. I didn't know there were rules about calling bad moves bad, and I at least try and keep it civil.


No one is thinking he will be a top 6 guy so even bringing that up is pointless. You just troll on here and give everyone 1 star ratings that you disagree with. Civil? maybe you need to look that word up. Straight up trash bro...
27 juin 2018 à 9 h 37
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Quoting: Mino42
No one is thinking he will be a top 6 guy so even bringing that up is pointless. You just troll on here and give everyone 1 star ratings that you disagree with. Civil? maybe you need to look that word up. Straight up trash bro...


I honestly don't understand how calling out terrible decisions and rating them what they deserve is considered trolling. There are zero legitimate reasons to want Kunitz back in a Pens sweater if you so much as glance at his regression the last few seasons. He's backsliding hard into retirement, he wouldn't be playing with anyone he's "familiar" with, and there are younger, better players and free agents with more upside that can fill his role. Would you feel better if I went point by point for every reason that I downvote a team?

It's pointless to trade Hunwick with retention, then turn around and give John Moore almost as much salary and the same amount of term. The team isn't substantially better, you're out even more cap space, and you still have a defenseman playing on his off-hand, so that whole series of moves is a waste. Then there's Nash, who will be chasing a payday and won't want to sign for a 4th line role on a team that's paying him half of what he can probably snag from a more desperate organization. He's been an average depth player his whole career, and suddenly one big season and not only does everyone want him, but they want him at a discount after a career year? That's just asinine. Then there's signing Jarry, a player with no arbitration rights and a short NHL track record, to a contract that's 300-400k too rich, then demoting and potentially losing DeSmith without knowing if Jarry is ready to be a serviceable backup at the NHL level. That's a great way to end up with zero goaltending depth and potentially an entire lost season due to one injury or underperformance.

Is that breakdown preferable to just pointing out the most glaring problem, or is it still somehow trolling?
27 juin 2018 à 9 h 41
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Quoting: bozie
You would only be saving $250k against the cap since the minimum replacement is Simon who counts for $750k. Your comments about whether or not he fits in the line up are a valid argument, but the fact that he would be a waste of money is just false. (I'm working under the assumption that he will get a 1 year for $1 million, and not the $2.5 million in this example)


If you don't sign Kunitz to this roster, Simon moves up to the 4th line and Aston-Reese sits as the 13th forward. That's a savings of whatever the cap hit of Kunitz is, be it $1 million or more.
27 juin 2018 à 9 h 55
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Quoting: Jake_H
If you don't sign Kunitz to this roster, Simon moves up to the 4th line and Aston-Reese sits as the 13th forward. That's a savings of whatever the cap hit of Kunitz is, be it $1 million or more.


Then that would be a 22 man roster, and would still need to sign one more player, so your savings would be Kunitz salary minus whatever that 23rd player is making. Using money for the Kunitz argument makes zero sense if he only takes $1million.
27 juin 2018 à 10 h 8
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Quoting: bozie
Then that would be a 22 man roster, and would still need to sign one more player, so your savings would be Kunitz salary minus whatever that 23rd player is making. Using money for the Kunitz argument makes zero sense if he only takes $1million.


You don't need a full 23-man roster, especially at the start of the season. Maybe someone like Bellerive or Addison gets a few games out of camp before being sent back to juniors, or someone from Wilkes-Barre earns a regular season audition (or even sticks), but the roster will eventually get weeded down from 23 for recall reasons. Kunitz' salary plus the already available cap space could be used in a number of different ways (signing Sheahan being one) and the Pens would still come out with cap space to bank over the season, be it with 22 or 23 players on the roster. Regardless of whether you're replacing his empty roster spot or not, spending any amount of money on Chris Kunitz at this point in his career is a waste. You could save a few hunderd thousand or his whole cap hit, either way is better than having him.
 
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