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Can the sharks get Seguin?

Créé par: slepler
Équipe: 2018-19 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 8 juill. 2018
Publié: 12 juill. 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Légende
Gaucher
Équipe initiale
Exempté du ballottage
Droitier
Position
Clause d'échange
Max. Bonis de perf.
Statut à l’échéance du contrat
Terme restant
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Exempté du ballottageMcDavid, Connor
12 500 000 $ (Bonis de performance250 000 $)
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Description
Seguin has not been extended yet. If Dallas sucks this year, Seguin may want to walk. In that case, Dallas will HAVE to trade him by the deadline (cannot afford a tavares-like loss).

1/2 the teams will be out of the bidding as non-PO teams. no team like to deal intra division. And no team will acquire him unless that can easily resign him long term as the price will be too large for any rental. In this world, only a handful of suitors would be left.

if Labanc and Tierney have solid years, Norris emerges as a leader at Umich, then this is a very competitive package.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
22 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
DAL
  1. Karlsson, Melker
  2. Labanc, Kevin
  3. Tierney, Chris
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (SJS)
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (SJS)
Détails additionnels:
Josh Norris (2017 first rounder)
2.
CAR
  1. Rod, Noah
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (FLA)
Détails additionnels:
Trade occurs at the deadline IF seguin comes:

Also, as these moves are at the deadline, the negative cap number is wrong. no issue with cap space at that time.
Rachats de contrats
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2019
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2020
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2021
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2379 500 000 $76 210 001 $0 $1 882 500 $3 289 999 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 7
5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 1
894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AG, AD
UFA - 1
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
C
UFA - 4
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
1 900 000 $1 900 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
700 000 $700 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
650 000 $650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
C
UFA - 1
759 167 $759 167 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
AG, AD
UFA - 2
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
C
UFA - 1
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 8
5 280 000 $5 280 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 7
5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 6
1 635 000 $1 635 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
3 800 000 $3 800 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
1 900 000 $1 900 000 $
G
UFA - 2
650 000 $650 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
900 000 $900 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
650 000 $650 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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12 juill. 2018 à 13 h 53
#1
mothariah
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Why are trading away a second round pick and a good defensive prospect (at least at one time before he became made of glass) for a aged, slow winger you have OUT of the lineup?

That trade confuses me.

The Seguin trade is good value. I'll say this, like I said on another roster that has Seguin, he likely isn't leaving Dallas because he loves it there. And the Stars probably won't trade him anyways, because they need him to make the playoffs (much like the Islanders, but they have a goalie).
12 juill. 2018 à 19 h 30
#2
sjsharks82
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Quoting: mothariah
Why are trading away a second round pick and a good defensive prospect (at least at one time before he became made of glass) for a aged, slow winger you have OUT of the lineup?

That trade confuses me.

The Seguin trade is good value. I'll say this, like I said on another roster that has Seguin, he likely isn't leaving Dallas because he loves it there. And the Stars probably won't trade him anyways, because they need him to make the playoffs (much like the Islanders, but they have a goalie).


I goofed! I meant to put williams on the wing with the Joes. Just forgot to move him. As for the reasoning there, Williams is "Mr. Game 7." Proven cup winner on a roster with ZERO cup winners (jones, but he didnt play). They also lose depth at forward without labanc and Tierney. Williams is still a very good player, but for me its about veteran leadership, who steps up in key moments, and brings a cup winning knowledge. Think of it a little like Orpik on Washington. Hes not gunna play the lead role, but his experience and leadership are invaluable. Orpik, like williams is one of just a handful of players to win cups with multiple teams. That's what I want...

And as I mentioned elsewhere, Dallas absolutely does not intend to deal seguin. BUT, if they suck this year: If their division sees the preds and jets dominate and STL much improved and colorado continue their youth run, and chicago still has kane-toews-keith-seabrook etc and are likely to have a better showing, then dallas becomes the odd man out. I would not be surprised, at all, to see dallas dead last in the division. They have only 3 top scorers and that includes radulov who had the best year of his career, which is unlikely to happen again at 32 years old. Their top second liner (4th highest forward) had just 34 pts. Their D is quite mediocre after klingberg and maybe lindell.

Simply put, While seguin loves dallas and is not like tavares, he also did not sign his extension yet and playing for a bad team is not fun, and Dallas has a very real chance of being a bad team at this moment .

(of course a karlsson trade could be interesting there. but then again that would require dallas to pay well over 30M to just three players in Benn, Seguin, and karlsson.)
13 juill. 2018 à 16 h 7
#3
mothariah
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Quoting: slepler
I goofed! I meant to put williams on the wing with the Joes. Just forgot to move him. As for the reasoning there, Williams is "Mr. Game 7." Proven cup winner on a roster with ZERO cup winners (jones, but he didnt play). They also lose depth at forward without labanc and Tierney. Williams is still a very good player, but for me its about veteran leadership, who steps up in key moments, and brings a cup winning knowledge. Think of it a little like Orpik on Washington. Hes not gunna play the lead role, but his experience and leadership are invaluable. Orpik, like williams is one of just a handful of players to win cups with multiple teams. That's what I want...

And as I mentioned elsewhere, Dallas absolutely does not intend to deal seguin. BUT, if they suck this year: If their division sees the preds and jets dominate and STL much improved and colorado continue their youth run, and chicago still has kane-toews-keith-seabrook etc and are likely to have a better showing, then dallas becomes the odd man out. I would not be surprised, at all, to see dallas dead last in the division. They have only 3 top scorers and that includes radulov who had the best year of his career, which is unlikely to happen again at 32 years old. Their top second liner (4th highest forward) had just 34 pts. Their D is quite mediocre after klingberg and maybe lindell.

Simply put, While seguin loves dallas and is not like tavares, he also did not sign his extension yet and playing for a bad team is not fun, and Dallas has a very real chance of being a bad team at this moment .

(of course a karlsson trade could be interesting there. but then again that would require dallas to pay well over 30M to just three players in Benn, Seguin, and karlsson.)


I just think you can get his production on the market for cheaper. I just don't see that trade being a good fit with the Sharks. Williams is slow, and he is getting older. They need youth and speed.

Key word there is yet. He has a full year to sign a deal before he would hit the open market. If there isn't something done by October, we can talk. If there isn't something done by Christmas, we can speculate where he could be traded to. If there isn't something done by the draft, we can predict where he might sign next year. That's my only point.
13 juill. 2018 à 16 h 14
#4
mothariah
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Quoting: slepler
I goofed! I meant to put williams on the wing with the Joes. Just forgot to move him. As for the reasoning there, Williams is "Mr. Game 7." Proven cup winner on a roster with ZERO cup winners (jones, but he didnt play). They also lose depth at forward without labanc and Tierney. Williams is still a very good player, but for me its about veteran leadership, who steps up in key moments, and brings a cup winning knowledge. Think of it a little like Orpik on Washington. Hes not gunna play the lead role, but his experience and leadership are invaluable. Orpik, like williams is one of just a handful of players to win cups with multiple teams. That's what I want...

And as I mentioned elsewhere, Dallas absolutely does not intend to deal seguin. BUT, if they suck this year: If their division sees the preds and jets dominate and STL much improved and colorado continue their youth run, and chicago still has kane-toews-keith-seabrook etc and are likely to have a better showing, then dallas becomes the odd man out. I would not be surprised, at all, to see dallas dead last in the division. They have only 3 top scorers and that includes radulov who had the best year of his career, which is unlikely to happen again at 32 years old. Their top second liner (4th highest forward) had just 34 pts. Their D is quite mediocre after klingberg and maybe lindell.

Simply put, While seguin loves dallas and is not like tavares, he also did not sign his extension yet and playing for a bad team is not fun, and Dallas has a very real chance of being a bad team at this moment .

(of course a karlsson trade could be interesting there. but then again that would require dallas to pay well over 30M to just three players in Benn, Seguin, and karlsson.)


The Stars have also signed 15 players since June 22nd. They have been busy. While you want your elite center under contract for next season, there is time for that to wait a little bit while the Shore (see what I did there?! haha) up the team for this year. They have three RFAs to go, and then they're done for 2018-19. I imagine we are going to hear a lot about a Seguin contract in August.
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