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Toying around with other FWD options

Créé par: Barathrum_Obama
Équipe: 2017-18 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 25 juill. 2017
Publié: 25 juill. 2017
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Légende
Gaucher
Équipe initiale
Exempté du ballottage
Droitier
Position
Clause d'échange
Max. Bonis de perf.
Statut à l’échéance du contrat
Terme restant
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Exempté du ballottageMcDavid, Connor
12 500 000 $ (Bonis de performance250 000 $)
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Description
Unlikely as COL just traded for him and VAN apparently doesn't submit to the whole rebuilding idea as evidenced by their FA picksups, but whatever. Let me know how far off the trade values are.
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Gropp, Ryan
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2018 (NYR)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2019 (NYR)
2.
NYR
  1. Wilson, Colin (1 900 000 $ retained)
COL
  1. Puempel, Matt
  2. Zborovskiy, Sergey
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2018 (NYR)
Rachats de contrats
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2018
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2019
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Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
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Logo de NYR
Logo de NYR
2020
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2275 000 000 $66 270 277 $0 $4 100 000 $8 729 723 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
4 625 000 $4 625 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
C
UFA - 5
925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 2
3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
AG, AD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
900 000 $900 000 $
AD, AG, C
UFA - 1
3 150 000 $3 150 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
2 600 000 $2 600 000 $
C
UFA - 1
2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
2 037 500 $2 037 500 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
1 850 000 $1 850 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
4 700 000 $4 700 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
6 650 000 $6 650 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 4
925 000 $925 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
4 350 000 $4 350 000 $
DG/DD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
1 300 000 $1 300 000 $
G
UFA - 1
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
RFA - 2
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DD
UFA - 2
1 650 000 $1 650 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

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25 juill. 2017 à 12 h 23
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Neither player does anything that any number of in house or cheaper alternatives couldn't. So you're essentially giving up prospects/picks for nothing.

On a side note, can we explain the thinking on Puempel being offered in deals? I feel bad for having to say this about the guy, but he could have been had for free all over the league, he's a fringe NHL/extra forward/soon to be AHL'er until he proves otherwise. That = no value.
25 juill. 2017 à 12 h 26
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Neither player does anything that any number of in house or cheaper alternatives couldn't. So you're essentially giving up prospects/picks for nothing.

On a side note, can we explain the thinking on Puempel being offered in deals? I feel bad for having to say this about the guy, but he could have been had for free all over the league, he's a fringe NHL/extra forward/soon to be AHL'er until he proves otherwise. That = no value.



Puempel is a throw in in every case. when NYR want to upgrade their roster, they'll also want to clear a roster spot in return. No point in having him around in Hartford or on the team. logical conclusion: throw him in in a trade.
Granlund hat 33 pts as a 23 year old on a terrible team. name a cheaper alternative. Wilson has been a solid middle 6 player for his whole career and at 2M you can't do wrong a lot.
disagree on your whole assessment, but feel free to elaborate.
25 juill. 2017 à 12 h 47
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Neither player does anything that any number of in house or cheaper alternatives couldn't. So you're essentially giving up prospects/picks for nothing.

On a side note, can we explain the thinking on Puempel being offered in deals? I feel bad for having to say this about the guy, but he could have been had for free all over the league, he's a fringe NHL/extra forward/soon to be AHL'er until he proves otherwise. That = no value.



Puempel is a throw in in every case. when NYR want to upgrade their roster, they'll also want to clear a roster spot in return. No point in having him around in Hartford or on the team. logical conclusion: throw him in in a trade.
Granlund hat 33 pts as a 23 year old on a terrible team. name a cheaper alternative. Wilson has been a solid middle 6 player for his whole career and at 2M you can't do wrong a lot.
disagree on your whole assessment, but feel free to elaborate.


Why is there no point in having him in Hartford? The Rangers have been bending over backwards trying to stockpile Hartford with AHL'ers and College players. That has Puempel written all over it! At 750k, he makes exactly what just about every other guy at that level makes. You can argue he has slightly more value than this, but we are talking about splitting hairs here, and that certainly isn't valuable enough that someone would want to fill a roster spot of their own with him. If nothing else, since he doesn't do anything for the trade he just sticks around as the extra forward.

Wilson is a 30 point player, has been all his career, and at 28 he isn't getting any better. That is quite a step down from what we are looking for, and to me isn't anything we can't find for cheaper (or free if it comes from within). Either way, i don't see the value in trading pieces off for him.

As for Granlund, I like that he is young, but being that I am looking for someone to come close to filling Hayes' shoes, I don't see the fit. They are a year apart in age, 33 points isn't 49. Maybe he takes another step in his development and closes the gap this year, sure! I Just feel like he hasn't shown me enough to make me believe he can. He gives me the feeling he is a winger, not a center, and a middling one at that (have you seen him on draws? He makes Hayes look good!!). So we want to wait around and see if he develops? I would rather grab Spooner and bank on history instead of the future. Just my opinion, I could certainly end up dead wrong about him. There's value in trading for a guy like this, just that I feel like we need more now.

Definite points for offering up novel names that haven't been discussed.
25 juill. 2017 à 13 h 16
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Puempel is a throw in in every case. when NYR want to upgrade their roster, they'll also want to clear a roster spot in return. No point in having him around in Hartford or on the team. logical conclusion: throw him in in a trade.
Granlund hat 33 pts as a 23 year old on a terrible team. name a cheaper alternative. Wilson has been a solid middle 6 player for his whole career and at 2M you can't do wrong a lot.
disagree on your whole assessment, but feel free to elaborate.


Why is there no point in having him in Hartford? The Rangers have been bending over backwards trying to stockpile Hartford with AHL'ers and College players. That has Puempel written all over it! At 750k, he makes exactly what just about every other guy at that level makes. You can argue he has slightly more value than this, but we are talking about splitting hairs here, and that certainly isn't valuable enough that someone would want to fill a roster spot of their own with him. If nothing else, since he doesn't do anything for the trade he just sticks around as the extra forward.

Wilson is a 30 point player, has been all his career, and at 28 he isn't getting any better. That is quite a step down from what we are looking for, and to me isn't anything we can't find for cheaper (or free if it comes from within). Either way, i don't see the value in trading pieces off for him.

As for Granlund, I like that he is young, but being that I am looking for someone to come close to filling Hayes' shoes, I don't see the fit. They are a year apart in age, 33 points isn't 49. Maybe he takes another step in his development and closes the gap this year, sure! I Just feel like he hasn't shown me enough to make me believe he can. He gives me the feeling he is a winger, not a center, and a middling one at that (have you seen him on draws? He makes Hayes look good!!). So we want to wait around and see if he develops? I would rather grab Spooner and bank on history instead of the future. Just my opinion, I could certainly end up dead wrong about him. There's value in trading for a guy like this, just that I feel like we need more now.

Definite points for offering up novel names that haven't been discussed.


Puempel is waivers eligible, this may also play a role here. Colorado has no depth, so they may salvage something here.
I don't think the idea is to find an upgrade over Hayes immediately; because of the thin market, it's rather supplying the team with more depth options (Wilson) or someone with the potential (Granlund), surround them with capaple wingers and see what they can do until Chytil/Andersson fill that spot longterm. Worst case you trade them again, best case you've found your teams new depth options and neither would be catastrophic. And no, I haven't watched a lot of VAN games, but looking at their (bad) team, his statline sticks out to me.
25 juill. 2017 à 14 h 39
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Why is there no point in having him in Hartford? The Rangers have been bending over backwards trying to stockpile Hartford with AHL'ers and College players. That has Puempel written all over it! At 750k, he makes exactly what just about every other guy at that level makes. You can argue he has slightly more value than this, but we are talking about splitting hairs here, and that certainly isn't valuable enough that someone would want to fill a roster spot of their own with him. If nothing else, since he doesn't do anything for the trade he just sticks around as the extra forward.

Wilson is a 30 point player, has been all his career, and at 28 he isn't getting any better. That is quite a step down from what we are looking for, and to me isn't anything we can't find for cheaper (or free if it comes from within). Either way, i don't see the value in trading pieces off for him.

As for Granlund, I like that he is young, but being that I am looking for someone to come close to filling Hayes' shoes, I don't see the fit. They are a year apart in age, 33 points isn't 49. Maybe he takes another step in his development and closes the gap this year, sure! I Just feel like he hasn't shown me enough to make me believe he can. He gives me the feeling he is a winger, not a center, and a middling one at that (have you seen him on draws? He makes Hayes look good!!). So we want to wait around and see if he develops? I would rather grab Spooner and bank on history instead of the future. Just my opinion, I could certainly end up dead wrong about him. There's value in trading for a guy like this, just that I feel like we need more now.

Definite points for offering up novel names that haven't been discussed.


Puempel is waivers eligible, this may also play a role here. Colorado has no depth, so they may salvage something here.
I don't think the idea is to find an upgrade over Hayes immediately; because of the thin market, it's rather supplying the team with more depth options (Wilson) or someone with the potential (Granlund), surround them with capaple wingers and see what they can do until Chytil/Andersson fill that spot longterm. Worst case you trade them again, best case you've found your teams new depth options and neither would be catastrophic. And no, I haven't watched a lot of VAN games, but looking at their (bad) team, his statline sticks out to me.


Fair enough, I am just hoping (probably against hope) to fill Hayes' 3c spot with someone who can predictably put up 40 pts or so as he did. Then at that point its on Hayes to fill Stepan's shoes.
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