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dim. à 22 h 44
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Habs is back
I am by no means a Habs fan, but moving all that asset for Ansersson is crazy. Barron, Reinbacher, Mailloux should be the top 3 RD (not in that order) within 2 years. All under 23.
In 3 years, with what Hughes has assembled, the Habs will have one of the best bluelines in the NHL.
Absolutely no need at all for Andersson. No. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Further, as much as I love Laughton (and I do), Matheson is a gross overpay. Taking what I would call Hughes' shrewdest moves and turning into a 3C is absolutely brutal asset management. Especially with Beck, Roy and Kidney all comping at the bit.
Don't rush the rebuild. Hughes' work has been stellar. There is not an organizational hole in Montréal. Moving assets to speed that up? Particularly in a position where there is no need? Just wow.
Ride it out bro. Ride it out.
Signed, a Leafs fan.
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 22 h 28
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>I think you're probably right that Colton is the most obvious guy to sacrifice at this point. Kampf, however, is a decent but overpaid 4C imo. Stenlund, as you have him here, would be a great pick up imo and is at about the right money. I'd say the idea is right but the targets are wrong. Also think Annunen has shown enough for the back up job.</div></div>
1. Annunen seems to be the consensus.
2. Could be the targets are wrong. Would have to play with a few teams to make a counter arguement. There maybe a better fit. A fair comment for sure. What I will say for Kämpf is I think he is more than a 4C, but not about to argue he is totally a 3C. Is there such a thing as a 3.5C? Be what he is.
3. Stunlund is very much over looked. 4th liners are. He isn't pretty, but he is awefully effective.
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 21 h 41
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheOtherAuston</b></div><div>I don't disagree with your reasoning on the leafs perspective of the Colton trade but if we really wanted a guy who is in the 40 point range to take over for JT we already have him, I think domi would be our go to for that promotion as he is similar in a few ways to Colton but we would be able to resign him and keep the assets or move them for a blue line piece (which is what we really need) but that being said I thought it was a well thought out proposal with great reasoning.</div></div>
The Colton acquisition is more than the offensive production. His defensive game is beyind significantly better than Domi's. Why Av fans, as you can see, are quite reluctant to move him.
Further, where you are not wrong that the Leafs blueline need improvement (working on that ACGM that will include this deal), team defense as a whole needs improvement. So where I get moving Kämpf seems counter productive to that thought, replacing Kämpf isn't as difficult. Colton simply plays a well rounded game. Domi is offense, piss and vinegar. Kämpf is defense piss and vinegar. Colton is all that.
The UFA market at almost every forward position is razor thin - where a player like Colton is gonna cost. There are those- like Domi as you say that can produce offense, but that simply isn't the Leafs issue, and why I would say from the Leafs perspective it makes sense. Finding a defensive replacement for Kämpf is there.... and for less money to boot.
I am just putting it out there for Leaf fans: fixing the defensive issues isn't about adding 2 gritty D. No. It is about addressing the lack of a team defensive concept..... something Colton absolutely brings to the table.
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 17 h 47
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Letsgosharks</b></div><div>Hahaha that was like a response id get from one of my professors, but thanks</div></div>
🤣🤣🤣
Not sure how else to answer it.
I almost feel smart being compared to a prof🤣🤣🤣
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 17 h 36
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>batman</b></div><div>Per some Avs fans he’s apparently ready and his development is looking good.
Yes, it could compete for a cup. Sign additional depth like Jones and Benoit
Behrens - Makar
Toews - Girard
Cole - Malinski
Benoit</div></div>
And Cole is going to be a $2-3 million signing. I don't think it frees up enough. And that is working from.the assumption Behrens is in fact..... ready.
It's maybe a way to go, but gutsy as all hell.
The Devils eneded up dressing something similar in terms of 2 rookies (Hughes and Nemec)..... they are going to miss the dance. And where yes.... Makar is Makar, and Georgiev is light years better than Vanacek, the point is it becomes a major step back imo.
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 17 h 33
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Letsgosharks</b></div><div>Do you see another move like this, because you are still so crunched against the cap, like say a Manson, Lehkonen, etc. I also think those players are more likely to get moved than a center in Colton</div></div>
I have explained extensively throughout the thread why I think it is Colton. Coles notes version: simply a path of least resistance in terms of filling out the roster.
As for other moves..... that is a 2025-26 problem. What I suggest is that in the right here and now, neither Behrens (some say otherwise) or Ritchie are ready. It allows Kovalenko a year to acclimate to the NHL game, where by all accounts he will be a top 6 forward.
Allowing a year of development will help gauge where they are at and dictate what comes next. And there will be a next. 2025-26 maybe even worse.
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 15 h 55
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>batman</b></div><div>Girard Makar
Toews Malinski
Behrens X
X = someone like Ian Cole</div></div>
And is that a blueline that competes for a Cup?
Dressing one rookie you do (Malinski has looked very good).
2? I can see that being an issue. And is Berhens even ready?
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 15 h 24
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Komisarek</b></div><div>Love it as a Leafs fan and props to you for providing some thoughtful reasoning. Having said that, it seems like Colorado committed heavily to Colton and won't sell him for pennies on the dollar</div></div>
Again, I will not disagree. But as I have said, 31 GMs know the position the Avs are in. Pennies on the dollar (which I am not sure I would go that far with this deal) maybe a reality. Taking slightly less to free up space to ice a solid team is very much likely the move made.
The conundrum which I have again eluded to here is this:
Lehkonen: let's say the Avs move him. Who replaces him? Plays a 200 foot game. 60 points. One of the better defensive forwards in the NHL. Plays PK. That is a player that if moved is major surgery imo. Takes far too much away from the lineup, especially for that cap hit.
Nikushkin: some injury issues over the last few years, but runs at about a PPG pace when in the ice. A legit top 6 forward. Moving him I guess could be done, but replacing the offense will prove difficult. Two $3 million players may spread some things out, but I don't think they replce the production. And again, that contract is great given what he does.
Manson: a popular target. Vet stay at home D with physical edge. Has looked rejuvenated as an Av. A rather obvious target for a few teams. But the return would leave a hole in the top 4. And replacing Manson, for what he does is about a $4 million price tag. End result: in the same place.
Leaves Colton. And where your point in 100% valid, I also think moving him is also the most pragmatic thing the Avs can do. Replacing his defensive game can be done. Or replacing his 40 points can be done. When comparing what it would take to replace the other candidates, I just think in the holistic approach, it takes significantly more work.
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 15 h 11
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LimeyBarsteward</b></div><div>I don’t know that I love the trade. If cmac made this trade I would trust that the scouts saw something and felt that there was room for improvement. I just don’t know that kampf is someone that I would target.
I’d also like to keep one of the deadline acquisitions if possible.
Annunan would be my backup.</div></div>
I don't think there is a deal that any Avs fan is going to love to be honest.
But, pragmatically, what the deal does is spreads out the $4 million of Colton between two quite serviceable players. Now, maybe Kämpf isn't the guy you would want to target. Get it. But, what he does do is full a roll and fills it well enough that the Avs really don't take a massive step back. Which is why I included him. (As a Leafs fan, honestly, I would rather keep him). What I think we can safely say is a deal is coming; and I would think the return would look something along the lines of a 2 for 1.
As for the deadline acquisitions..... yes. I would tend to agree. Of them, Trenin is the one I would target over Stunlund. That is going to depend on both hiw many teams would be in on him and his demands. The Avs just don't have a lot of wiggle room.
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 15 h 5
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NMAvsFan</b></div><div>I don't necessarily disagree with trading Colton and I don't think your logic here is bad but I hope they'd look for something a little better than this or they'd just make space by trading him then try to sign someone in UFA they believe could do the job for a year or two. Colton (who is definitely not a 2C or the Avs would have solved that problem without trading Bo) may seem "expensive" but the going rate for 3C's is about $4M; Detroit is paying two 3C's over $5M, LOL.</div></div>
Oh not disagreeing.
Of anyone that could be moved, I just think Colton would be the path of least resistance.
Can the Avs do better than what I proposed? Maybe. But I gotta think 31 GMs no that the Avs are in one helluva spot here, which may or may not dictate a return.
I appreciate recognizing my logic behind the deal, and I really do stand by it. Whether it is the Leafs or another organization, I think whoever is dealt, the return in going to by for a couple players pretty much equally the cap hit going out. Otherwise, I am not sure the Avs solve the issue.
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Armchair-GM
dim. à 15 h 1
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>batman</b></div><div>Manson sacrificed.</div></div>
And replaced by whom?
I think the Avs would be hard pressed to find someone cheaper that does what Manson does.
It is the issue right across the board. None of the contracts are bad. Nine of the players are "bad".
Everyone one of them fits, and has a roll. Yet, something has to give.
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Armchair-GM
ven. à 12 h 26
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FireShero</b></div><div>The cupboard is already pretty nice: Geekie, Lamoureux, But, Simashev, Hrabal, Doan, Szuber, and Raty, plus Lipkin, Tanner, Miko, Castagna playing well in the NCAA.
I say ARZ swings a little bigger literally and metaphorically and try and sign Zadorov or Myers.</div></div>
They could try.
But I think such a move remains dictated by their ability to get Moser and Durzi long term.
That would indicate a vote if confidence for the organization, and may get some of the more marquee FAs talking.
As it sits at this moment, I think it is a stretch..... but that could change.
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Armchair-GM
21 mars à 21 h 5
Sujet:
24-25
Everyone:
Just wanted to say thanks for some excellent and constructive feedback. A refreshing change from.the CF norm!
The exchange of thoughts and ideas, as a non-Sabres fan has been enlightening for sure.
Appreciate it! Really👍
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Armchair-GM
21 mars à 21 h 2
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Burnzie8_88_4Cup</b></div><div>I was thinking M.Jones of Tor. I know he lives in Tor., but if they don't resign him, we could give him a little more on a 1 year deal, and Buffalo isn't that far from Tor.</div></div>
I think the key is not to stunt Levi's development. He is good. He and Ukko will platoon at some point, sooner than later
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Armchair-GM
21 mars à 21 h 1
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AntiAnalytics</b></div><div>This is what i think the Sabres do this offseason w the defense:
1- see what the actual numbers are that Jokiharju wil sign for. He’s rumored to want something in the $4mil range
2- BEFORE we decide to sign him or trade him, i think we check out the UFA market- and if a guy like Roy, Pesce, DeMelo is willing to come here at a reasonable price, THEN we could look to move on from Jokiharju
But next year, to START the season, I’m fairly certain the Defensive pairs look like this :
Top Pair : Byram-Dahlin
-at least to start the season, they’ve looked great since the trade
2nd pair : Power-Jokiharju/UFA upgrade
-this could very well depend on how much $$ Jokiharju wants
3rd pair : Samuelsson-Clifton
-again, to start the season. Samuelsson is obviously capable of moving up if someone is struggling or injured
7th guy : Ryan Johnson
-who would rotate in and has played on both sides & even some in the top pair w Dahlin & not looked out of place. Love his versatility
Anyways…. that’s what i *think* we’ll do</div></div>
Certainly not outside the realm of possibilities.
My concerns lies in that blueline, as a whole, is so young.
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Armchair-GM
21 mars à 17 h 46
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Burnzie8_88_4Cup</b></div><div>I like this in general, but a couple things... I think Komarov may be that 3P RD in 2 years? I think they need a vet (cheap) G like Comrie, but better. And like it or not, I think Girgs is back.</div></div>
Definitely need a vet goalie, agreed. The issue is, anyone I see worth signing likely get 2 years. Ukko has been great, but not sold on him carrying a 60 game load; need a split time guy. That isn't coming in a one year deal I don't think.
Organizationally the Sabres do lack D depth. Needs to be filled out a little. Could be that Komarov is the guy you speak of, but outside if Johnson, it's pretty thin in the right here right now almost NHL ready way.
Something Adams does need to address imo. Gives the Sabres many more options and positions of strength long term.
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21 mars à 17 h 37
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AntiAnalytics</b></div><div>Jokiharju has played on our top4 almost all season
Some with Dahlin, & mostly w Power
So idk why u think he suddenly doesn’t fit???
I’m assuming u think Samuelsson is gonna play w Power,
but he hardly did that this year before his injury
He played on the left side w Dahlin a good bit,
and looked great 2 years ago, but struggled a bit this year (was still “ok” though)
Jokiharju is more likely to be Power’s partner as long as he does t want too much $$
Then Samuelsson helps anchor the 3rd pair w Clifton & we have Ryan Johnson rotating in
EDIT
i just looked how u have the top4, & have more thoughts
1- even though Samuelsson has looked good w Dahlin in the past, Byram goes into next season starting on the top pair with Dahlin. They’ve looked too good together to break it up
2- even though both Power & Samuelsson have played RD, it’s been in limited amounts
Our RD2 is most likely either Jokiharju, or an upgrade if we decide to spend the Cap on a guy like Roy, Pesce, or a more physical shut down type (DeMelo, for example)</div></div>
If you no longer see Samuelsson as a top 4 option, he and Clifton would certainly work. If Samuelsson remains in the top 4, then I would say Jokiharju flushes out.
Don't get me here. Jokiharju seems to have come into his own this year. If a pairing with him and Power work, then that is certainly a direction to go. Would set.uo a situation of almost rolling the 3 pairs..... which isn't a bad thing.
Having said that, still see the back end need a good ver presence to bring it together.....
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21 mars à 16 h 48
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>thewookie1</b></div><div>Can't imagine Buffalo trading Jokiharju for a pure future
Plus fans would have a fit if this was all he did</div></div>
Oh, Adams could certainly do more.
But that would also mean moving a Kulich, Benson, Quinn, Peterka..... which fans would have equal fits over.
I am on the outside looking in. But if I had a team that young and that talented, I give it runway. First time in a decade the Sabres appear on the right track, so I would be reluctant to deviate from it..... as much as adding some size and vets would make sense.
Figure out whatcha got, then make the moves. Too soon to tell imo
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21 mars à 16 h 44
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AntiAnalytics</b></div><div>Plus, Swinny’s plan is to have him take over for Clifton after 2 more seasons
But idk that it makes sense to be breaking a guy into the NHL,
taking over the “shutdown role” Swinny has Clifton in
Not to mention, Livingstone will be 27 when Clifton’s contract is up
Doesn’t seem like he’s a good fit if he’s breaking into the league at that age</div></div>
He played is time in the NCAA. So it isn't like the guy can't play, or is a long term project that is finally figuring it out.
There are points to be made here.
1. With the acquisition of Byram (which you have to love), where does Jokiharju even fit?
2. Now realizing that Jokiharju no longer fits (which is a shame), what on earth do you move him for? It certainly isn't a forward..... Sabres still have more than they know what to do with. So, I made a move on the blueline, which anyone will see..... the Sabres simply lack organizational depth there.
3. Teams actually looking for RD is surprisingly small. And of those, many lack the assets that would make the move make any sense. And of those, how many would acquire Jokiharju thinking he moves the needle.for them?
So unless Clifton or Jokiharju can suddenly play is weak side, I am not sure what other options exist.
Not saying it is perfect, but...... unless Dallas is willing to part with Kyrou (oh, I thought about that).... I dunno.
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21 mars à 16 h 35
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>Very few GMs hand out long term deals that end in a players late 30s, only two I knew of no longer GM in the league (Hextall and Wilson) Pesce will be 30 as near as makes no difference at the start of next season, and while he'll play better longer than a typical defenseman might, age will catch up to an 8 year contract.
He might find one at a reduced AAV with a competitor who doesn't expect him to see the tail end of that deal, but that's where I think Anaheim has an advantage, we can boost the AAV to compensate and have a similar total contract earnings.</div></div>
Oh, I am not disagreeing with what you are thinking. Merely playing devil's advocate on what the cap for the Ducks looks like in 3 years.
Now if the deal is 3-4 years, then ya. Absolutely.
My hunch is he is getting 5-6.... which maybe outside the Ducks wheelhouse; depnding on the structure of the deal.
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Armchair-GM
21 mars à 15 h 47
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>I think kulikov would chop his arm off before coming back to buffalo. He absolutely hated it here</div></div>
Ya know..... I totally forgot about that love affair.
Really, it is about plugging in a cheap D that will work as a #7-8; but yeah..... you are likely right.
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21 mars à 15 h 45
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>I will add that I forgot to mention, I'd offer Pesche a 5-6 year deal and chuck money at him to make it work. Signing past 5 gives me hesitation. Beautiful part of where the Ducks are currently is in 3 years if Warren is popping off in SD and ready to take over, we can eat some of Pesce's salary and trade him to a contender where he can be an effective bottom 4 RHD.</div></div>
Well, Pesce won't sign for less, that is for certain.
I guess the question is in 3 years time if the Ducks are in a position to eat some of that salary? Time will tell; but the plan is solid
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Armchair-GM
21 mars à 14 h 55
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24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>I don't think Zell is ready for NHL duty yet, his defensive game just isn't there, he's been getting chewed up and spat out the last two weeks. Give him a year or two in SD.
Same for Luneau, coming off a lost season due to knee infection, let him cut his pro teeth down in SD and play alongside Hinds for a season or two.
However, I'd go after one of the top 4 RDs available, Mintyukov's development into a true #1 is critical for this team, let's give that the best possible chance with Pesche.
I'd also keep Lindstrom around, his microstats have been good for a 6/7 guy, he seems to fit the system, and he's the right age.
As to 3C, I really think it's about putting a shooter with Lundewtrom, he's a play making and play extending forward who's been good in the dot, in the limited time together, I liked him and Vatrano on the same as line. With Verbeek wanting to shore up the bottom 6, I could see the improvements being made by pushing from the top down.</div></div>
Well, I did say I was apprehensive about having Zellweger on the roster. He is showing well all things considered (imo), so it does create a conundrum. I 100% see the point of a year at least in San Diego. It won't hurt ine bit.
To the point of going after one of the "top tier" RD on the market - the temptation is there. The Ducks have the money. I was trepidations about it for two reasons: 1. I have to think the Pesce's of the world will be hoping to sign with a contender (which the Ducks are not right now), and 2. Long-term, it stands to reason that the hope is Luneau amd Warren are in the top 4. Maybe trying to land on of those guys bridges that gap. Same time, I wanna leave that door as open as possible.
Again, I see the point there.
Lastly, I am one to say I do not see Lundestörm as a 3C. Fabulous 4C. But him as a 3C I don't think cuts it when stacking up against other teams. The defensive game is there. 100%. But I see him more as a Kämpf type - where he "can" play 3C, but much better suited for 4C. (My Leafs fan-age coming out there). Wennberg is more a stop gap if you will, waiting to see how that core of McT, Zegras, Gauthier, Carlsson pan out. Could very well be one of those 4 end up suited for 3C (I doubt it, but play along).
I look at the Ducks, at they are at a point where they do need to be competitive. Not playoffs, but competitive. With Wennberg, I see a pretty solid top 9 that can produce, and a rather nasty checking unit with some offensive pop to it (for a 4th line).
See the path of least resistance to being more competitive is rounding out the forward core over spending on the back end and with term. Too much shaking out there yet..... but there is an aweful lot.to like about it.
Your thoughts are solid. Certainly a direction to go.
What is clear from what you are saying and from what I see from a far is this really is a critical offseasonnfor the Ducks. The decisions have bigger implications than they have for the last couple years.
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Armchair-GM
21 mars à 13 h 14
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>We know that he didn’t want to go West during the season. I wouldn’t want to leave my family for 4 months either being in a different time zone or forcing them to relocate during the season to temporary housing away from existing support networks. We need to remember that these players are human beings.
If accompanied by an extension that brings stability, none of us knows what Ullmark will decide. Do I think it would make him reconsider? I do, but each player has different criteria,
A Kings trade makes sense if they are clearing PLD to make room for both Ullmark and Roy while allowing them to sign Byfield to a long term contract. Struggling to see the rationale if it’s just acquiring Ullmark by himself.</div></div>
That depends on how they approach Byfield. I see a 2 year bridge deal there honestly; which lines up with Kopitar coming off the books (where he may re-up again, but for again less).
Roy resigning may depend on where the Kings see Clarke. But let's not discount that they want him back. I would.
I am one that doesn't see an Ullmark extension being much more than where he is at now. $7 million max? Less if there is serious term?
Kings have $11 million in cap space, and can certainly juggle that.
Not sure that an Ullmark deal there would be so hung up
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Armchair-GM
21 mars à 13 h 8
Sujet:
24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hckeydude123</b></div><div>According to the rumors Ullmark has all the Pacific teams on his NTC and according to the rumors the B's and LA have already tried to make a trade for Ullmark which both teams were good with but Ullmark rejected the trade cause it's a Pacific team. So basically Ullmark won't be traded to the Kings or anywhere West because he doesn't want to come out West.</div></div>
Well then, that kinda blows up that idea doesn't it lol
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