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steven10125

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Forum: Armchair-GM14 juill. 2023 à 2 h 22
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Forum: Armchair-GM11 juill. 2023 à 15 h 40
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>You literally said "How did you manage to put Lindholm in the selke conversation when he hasn’t even been considered in the top 10 for selke voting… ever?" Lindholm has finished top 10 in Selke voting <strong>3 times in the last 5 years</strong>. Tkachuk and Gaudreau did not get him nominated for being a 2-way center last year, especially Gaudreau who has been hounded his entire career for being a known cherry picker. Lindholm is the one who anchored the best line in the league that season, he did all the heavy lifting that allowed those 2 wingers to run amuck offensively. He enables players to thrive offensively like Bergeron does for his wingers (though Bergeron is at a whole different level, he's the best 2-way center in the entire league since Datsyuk). Just look at this most recent season, Dube and Toffoli both had career years in production.

I have no idea why you are bringing up Nylander's D+3 season, he entered the league the exact same season as Matthews and Marner so Toronto was in a far better state than Carolina was when Lindholm entered the league. Both players finished the season 3rd in team scoring too, the difference is Carolina as a team sucked (8th in the Metro) and Toronto as a team did not (3rd in Atlantic). Either way that is completely irrelevant to who the players are today.

How about you look at a side by side comparison of Nylander and Lindholm instead.
<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20202021&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=y&amp;p1=8477939&amp;p2=8477496&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Here is them over the last 3 seasons</a>
<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=y&amp;p1=8477939&amp;p2=8477496&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Here is them just this last season</a></div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>Lindholm has 3 top-10 Selke finishes in his 5 years in Calgary; also I'm not sure how Tkachuk &amp; Gaudreau's offense is what helped him finish 2nd in the voting last season. He was still 2nd on the Flames in scoring this season - I struggle to think of any player who won't see his production decline when you go from skating with those two to spending the most of your time 5v5 with Dillon Dube &amp; Tyler Toffoli (who both set career highs in scoring this year, for what it's worth.)

Lindholm at C with his 0.69 career PPG (0.88 in 5 seasons in Calgary, btw) at his $4.85M AAV is just as valuable as Willie Nylander at RW with his 0.82 career PPG and $6.9M cap hit.</div></div>

It’s fine to overvalue your own players. When I compare them from the years they entered the league until now Nylander is higher in the majority of stats (with the exception being some defensive areas) including the scoresheet which is what matters the most. If you think lindholm is better than the RW who finished 4th in RW scoring in the entire league this year then I don’t know what else to say other then let’s wait and see.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 juill. 2023 à 14 h 47
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Nylander is not 2 years younger, he is 1 year and and 5 months younger. Hence why they were drafted 1 year apart.

The leafs have made the 2nd round once since they drafted Nylander in 2014, the bar for playoff performance is not exactly high there.

Lindholm literally finished 2nd in Selke voting 1 year ago. How are you that ignorant? He also finished 10th in voting this year
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Both Lindholm and Nylander have only ever gotten 40 goals once. As for points Jason Robertson had 24 more points than Matthews this year, so logically you would trade Matthews for Robertson in a heartbeat.</div></div>

I feel like you’re grasping at straws here. One season where he played with Gaudreau and Tkachuk and had a career year and got 2nd in Selke voting does not automatically make him a selke caliber player. There’s no consistency with Lindholm, he was a 40 point player at the start of his career for many years, then had a couple good seasons and now is back to his 20 goal ways. Nylander started off as a 60 point guy and now is consistent over point per game.
I’m not going to try and predict the future of these two players but I know Nylander would get a much more substantial return from any team in the league, whereas many teams might view Lindholm as a top 6 guy and not a 1C as he struggled to drive the top line without tkachuk and Gaudreau this year.
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