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Forum: Armchair-GM11 juill. 2023 à 5 h 33
Sujet: RRR July 2023
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>steven10125</b></div><div>Lindholm is the more valuable player? Come on dude that’s just incredibly false. Nylander is 2 years younger, has a .82 points per game compared to Lindholms .69 , he’s a consistent 30-40 goal scorer, has been the leafs best playoff performer for many years and is one of the best possession wingers in the entire NHL. How did you manage to put Lindholm in the selke conversation when he hasn’t even been considered in the top 10 for selke voting… ever?
Nylander is the much more valuable player in the league and it’s not even close, Lindholm isn’t even comparable.</div></div>

Nylander is not 2 years younger, he is 1 year and and 5 months younger. Hence why they were drafted 1 year apart.

The leafs have made the 2nd round once since they drafted Nylander in 2014, the bar for playoff performance is not exactly high there.

Lindholm literally finished 2nd in Selke voting 1 year ago. How are you that ignorant? He also finished 10th in voting this year
<img class="for_img" src="https://i.imgur.com/lsre1i2.png" alt="lsre1i2.png">

Both Lindholm and Nylander have only ever gotten 40 goals once. As for points Jason Robertson had 24 more points than Matthews this year, so logically you would trade Matthews for Robertson in a heartbeat.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 juill. 2023 à 15 h 8
Sujet: RRR July 2023
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>steven10125</b></div><div>I feel like you’re grasping at straws here. One season where he played with Gaudreau and Tkachuk and had a career year and got 2nd in Selke voting does not automatically make him a selke caliber player. There’s no consistency with Lindholm, he was a 40 point player at the start of his career for many years, then had a couple good seasons and now is back to his 20 goal ways. Nylander started off as a 60 point guy and now is consistent over point per game.
I’m not going to try and predict the future of these two players but I know Nylander would get a much more substantial return from any team in the league, whereas many teams might view Lindholm as a top 6 guy and not a 1C as he struggled to drive the top line without tkachuk and Gaudreau this year.</div></div>

You literally said "How did you manage to put Lindholm in the selke conversation when he hasn’t even been considered in the top 10 for selke voting… ever?" Lindholm has finished top 10 in Selke voting <strong>3 times in the last 5 years</strong>. Tkachuk and Gaudreau did not get him nominated for being a 2-way center last year, especially Gaudreau who has been hounded his entire career for being a known cherry picker. Lindholm is the one who anchored the best line in the league that season, he did all the heavy lifting that allowed those 2 wingers to run amuck offensively. He enables players to thrive offensively like Bergeron does for his wingers (though Bergeron is at a whole different level, he's the best 2-way center in the entire league since Datsyuk). Just look at this most recent season, Dube and Toffoli both had career years in production.

I have no idea why you are bringing up Nylander's D+3 season, he entered the league the exact same season as Matthews and Marner so Toronto was in a far better state than Carolina was when Lindholm entered the league. Both players finished the season 3rd in team scoring too, the difference is Carolina as a team sucked (8th in the Metro) and Toronto as a team did not (3rd in Atlantic). Either way that is completely irrelevant to who the players are today.

How about you look at a side by side comparison of Nylander and Lindholm instead.
<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20202021&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=y&amp;p1=8477939&amp;p2=8477496&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Here is them over the last 3 seasons</a>
<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=y&amp;p1=8477939&amp;p2=8477496&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Here is them just this last season</a>
Forum: Armchair-GM29 juin 2023 à 22 h 14
Sujet: Ideal Unrealistic Off-Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>steven10125</b></div><div>I 100% agree in your thought process, but I think the thinking is too short term. What happens if we don’t win the cup in the next 2 years? Then all of these guys that we traded our farm for become unaffordable, and we won’t have any young/cheap talent to replace them. Konecny isn’t someone you give up everything for, not even close. Players of that caliber (60 point guys) have gone for way less, look at toffoli</div></div>

I wouldn't call your window only 2 years old though. In two years the cap goes up, you would be able to afford a TK extension, you still have prospects from recent drafts still coming up and you still have some picks to bolster the roster or use. I'm of the thinking you go all in if you have two of the best players in the world, if not the two best. Gotta go for it.

Maybe that's not a player like TK, maybe it's a goalie that you need desperately, but I feel like just doing the same thing over and over just feels like a car stuck in the mud.