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Armchair-GM
19 mars 2020 à 22 h 28
Sujet:
Red Wing Fans Would This Interest You
<a href="/users/Aklein351" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Aklein351</a>
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Armchair-GM
10 mars 2020 à 16 h 17
Sujet:
Busy Offseason
NYR say no to the COL deal (they'll be able to keep both Strome and Chytil while adding a LHD through free agency or their farm system), and SJS reject the Lias deal (at least for now).
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Armchair-GM
9 mars 2020 à 14 h 16
Sujet:
Word on the street is that
Too soon to tell whether Henrik is bought out. There could easily be a team at the draft that is willing to offer something to NYR for Georgiev that would be worth it, as NYR have a plethora of goalies coming up through the pipeline (Wall, Lindblom, even Huska has looked solid).
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Armchair-GM
9 mars 2020 à 14 h 15
Sujet:
Word on the street is that
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DiehardRedWingsFan58</b></div><div>I find it funny how the Rangers moved up into the draft to take Lias Andersson, And now he's looking like a bust. I actually wanted Holland to draft him. Boy did we dodge a bullet there.</div></div>
They did not move up to take Lias. They traded for the 7th overall pick for Stepan to get him off the books. NYR then tried trading up to a top 5 pick for Elias Pettersson, but no team was interested in trading down. NYR then took what they considered the best available center with the highest floor, which was Andersson. It did not work out, but NYR were not looking at Lias the whole time.
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Armchair-GM
6 mars 2020 à 14 h 57
Sujet:
Next Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BSpadaro83</b></div><div>LOL you literally are too obtuse to get the point that i am making. I ll try one last time as to why it has nothing to do with a min salary UFA signing. Smith has a $4.35m cap hit, but on 7-2-20 any team that acquires him only has to pay him $2.35m in actual cash salary. BUT HIS WHOLE $4.35m CAP HIT COUNTS TOWARDS HITTING THE CAP FLOOR. So if you are team (OTTAWA) who has to add almost $30M in Cap hits to hit the cap floor next season to be compliant, but will never spend an additional 30M in ACTUAL CASH, these contracts are exactly what you are looking for. And in looking at the others around the league, Smith has one of the better ones percentage wise on Cap hit to floor to actual dollars saved.</div></div>
A) Relax no need to get hostile.
B) Name me every team that you think will need help getting to the cap floor, and I can easily find a better deal than trading away assets just to help getting to the cap floor. I can start working on Ottawa now if you'd like. Also, I can send out some feels to Ottawa fans right now and see how they feel about trading assets for Brendan Smith. I have already seen what some Red Wings fans think of him too. Here's a link <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1662104">https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1662104</a>.
I was not disagreeing with anything you were saying in the slightest. I think you made good points and I followed and understood everything you said; I am only saying I think it's unlikely that a team will trade for Smith, even if they are having problems reaching the cap floor. I simply believe GMs will think there are alternatives out there that are better off for them.
Two other points particularly about Smith and NYR:
1) He has a 10 team no trade list, and Canada has higher income taxes, so when you throw out a team like Ottawa, it may be unlikely to be approved by Smith, who wants to maximize his salary in his final year.
2) It's very possible that the cap only increases to $84 million, as many players would prefer not to pay back salary in escrow over the course of the next few years. I assume the NHLPA would be happy with that $2.5 million bump. If that is the case, NYR still have plenty of contracts to sign (Strome, Deangelo, Lemieux, just to name a few). It's possible NYR do not have a ton of cap space to work with to begin with. Therefore, all the leverage one would believe NYR would have with a team like Ottawa may diminish, simply because NYR are trying to get under the cap ceiling.
There are a lot of moving parts here, which makes me doubt NYR's ability to move Smith. Sorry if I seemed "obtuse" to you with my responses; I sometimes do not elaborate. And sorry if this is too long to read hahah.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars 2020 à 13 h 47
Sujet:
Next Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BSpadaro83</b></div><div>I know this is tough to understand but you are missing the point almost completely. No one is gonna sign a UFA to a back loaded deal (since Smiths deal was frontl-oaded and now pays less cash on the back end), to game the salary cap now for a player of any real value. Smith brings value because he is a player that can still play on most teams 3rd pair AND his contract is salary cap scammy for any floor concern teams, and its an expiring deal. None of those benefits exist from a UFA signing.</div></div>
There will be enough third pairing defensemen out there that a team can sign to one year to play the third line instead of him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars 2020 à 13 h 46
Sujet:
Next Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BSpadaro83</b></div><div>I know this is tough to understand but you are missing the point almost completely. No one is gonna sign a UFA to a back loaded deal (since Smiths deal was frontl-oaded and now pays less cash on the back end), to game the salary cap now for a player of any real value. Smith brings value because he is a player that can still play on most teams 3rd pair AND his contract is salary cap scammy for any floor concern teams, and its an expiring deal. None of those benefits exist from a UFA signing.</div></div>
Lol I know what a front loaded and back loaded contracr is. There are plenty of players on the market that will sign for less than whatever you’d have to pay smith in real salary, and would take up less cap space, that will bring equal production to the team’s third pair. That’s all I am saying. The other teams’ best alternatives are more attractive than trading for smith, unless NYR give up another asset that is attractive with smith. Hence why I suggested georgiev. You’re trying to reason why a team should take on smith. I am only saying that the alternatives that exist out there are more attractive options. That’s it.
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Armchair-GM
6 mars 2020 à 11 h 33
Sujet:
Next Season
Sure, but that’s missing my point. I think teams would rather use the 2.17 million to another player (maybe 2) with less cap hit and salary and equal production. They should be able to find that on the open market. And if they were struggling to hit the cap floor there are other players they can get and probably get a greater return than what they would get for taking smith on.
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Armchair-GM
6 mars 2020 à 10 h 55
Sujet:
Next Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BSpadaro83</b></div><div>Smith at 2.35m salary and 4.35m cap hit and being able to play NHL minutes has value to any team looking to ensure cap floor and scrimp on payroll. He is moveable without a bribe, especially if the floor jumps with a bigger cap rise.</div></div>
With that logic he would have already been moved this past offseason, as there was at least one team that could have needed that. But in practice, teams could just give a Wayne Simmonds contract to avoid that. I would be pessimistic in the ability to move him, that's all.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars 2020 à 10 h 45
Sujet:
Next Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BSpadaro83</b></div><div>Disagree with you on Smith, hard agree on Staal and furthermore he will never waive his NMC. And thats what i think happens honestly. They just play them out and thats that.</div></div>
Nobody is going to want to take Smith UNLESS you package him with another asset (maybe Georgiev if Henrik stays after all this). Otherwise, even at a little north of $2 million, no team will be interested; they can find cheaper players with equal production in free agency. I think Smith and Staal as a third pair with limited minutes, while calling up some of the younger players to play with them from time time would not be the worst thing in the world.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
6 mars 2020 à 10 h 37
Sujet:
Next Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mike_Gartner</b></div><div>i think you are on the right path. bridge Strome for 2 years, somewhere between $4-5M.
create his value as a solid 2C and trade him from a place of strength in year 2.
they need to do the same thing with Smith - pair him with Trouba, create a solid shutdown pair and then move him at the deadline for whatever they can get.
it would be nice to move Staal somewhere, even 50% retained to open more opportunity for the younger guys.
this team is still 2 years away from being considered as a contender - this year and next are going to be confusing years for the fan base, especially after what they accomplished the past 2 months.</div></div>
No reaason for Strome to agree to a 2 year deal. He's 26 and could walk to free agency in a year. He should demand a long term deal or a one year deal.
Smith and Staal are not going anywhere because nobody will want to take their deals unless you NYR gave up assets NYR likely does not want to give up. Just let them play out next year and then use the large amount of a cap space in the following offseason.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
4 mars 2020 à 11 h 2
Sujet:
Risto is wortha 2nd Line C
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BurgerBoss</b></div><div>How about...
:ducks
Rasmus Ristolainen
:sabres
Adam Henrique
Christian Djoos/Sonny Milano/Kiefer Sherwood, pick the one you like the most
2020 or 2021 3rd round pick
Think Henrique and Risto are quite even in level and why not value as well, but with Henrique being 30+ I think ANA needs to add a bit...</div></div>
Actually a pretty good deal. Maybe instead of one of the players you mentioned it's another mid-round future. Was thinking either Ducks or Jets could be interested in him, so long as the price is not high. The only problem with the deal is that Henrique has a 10 team no trade list, and I would not be surprised if Buffalo is on that list.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
2 mars 2020 à 18 h 10
Sujet:
Red Wing Fans Would This Interest You
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>One that has stayed constant since Yzerman has taken over he is building through the draft he most likely trading picks. All of this doesn't matter if NYR doesn't trade Georgiev!!! I think since NYR has 3 goalies Hank is the one who is out retire, buyout and even if Shesterkin plays every game left trading Georgiev would be foolish.</div></div>
A) I do not think Hank is retiring, and likely does not want to move his NTC unless he goes to contenders close to NY. Will be tough to move him, and a buyout should not be considered an option. Worst case, they feel like they have to move Georgiev, and NYR can find backups until someone on their long list of goalie prospects are ready (Lindblom, Wall, Huska, etc.).
B) I was not even suggesting NYR should make the trade, but I thought this would make sense.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
2 mars 2020 à 12 h 59
Sujet:
Red Wing Fans Would This Interest You
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DiehardRedWingsFan58</b></div><div>Could possibly see Markstrom if he reaches free agency, Perhaps Greiss on a short term deal. Or maybe Yzerman makes a move to get Georgiev at the draft. Honestly not really sure wouldn't mind Lehner either for the right price.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>zadinaveleno</b></div><div>Yzerman will sign someone. He will overpay for a serviceable goalie like Markstrom.</div></div>
I guess we disagree on that point. I think other teams can match what Yzerman would be willing to pay for a goalie, and the free agents will opt to go elsewhere. Plus, I figured Detroit would prefer a cost controlled goalie with a solid level of production to go with their oncoming young core. One year of Smith in another year where DET will not compete does not make a big deal, and even so, they should have plenty of money to go get at least a couple of free agents with Smith on the books.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
2 mars 2020 à 12 h 3
Sujet:
Red Wing Fans Would This Interest You
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DiehardRedWingsFan58</b></div><div>Tyler Bertuzz will get 7 x 5.5 more then likely, Mantha if signed long term the Kreider deal 7 x 6.5, Don't want Smith back and Givani Smith is looking like a solid 3/4 liner easily.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mike</b></div><div>No ..you keep Brenden Smith</div></div>
Who's playing goalie next year?
Which free agents do you expect DET to sign?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 févr. 2020 à 17 h 3
Sujet:
Curious cap situation post Skjei trade and Kreider signing
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>I kinda used Dallas as an example. There are many other teams that may be interested. You are right about that 2nd part. Maybe Sean Day instead.</div></div>
I do not see teams willing to take Smith, even at half his salary of just north of 2 million. They can get production from others for less. NYR should let all the contracts expire (no buyouts), and they'll have plenty of money to spend after next season to help this core.
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Armchair-GM
27 févr. 2020 à 16 h 25
Sujet:
Curious cap situation post Skjei trade and Kreider signing
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bf3351</b></div><div>I suggested a trade with Smith and Lias Andersson going to Dallas for 3rd rounder in 2021 (a 4th may be more reasonable) Also they will probably need to buy out Hank</div></div>
I think Nill declines. He has plenty to worry about as he probably wants to keep Khudobin, and he's going to have to pay Hintz, Gurianov and Faksa. I think very few teams could to that deal to begin with.
I also think teams will want to wait and see whether Lias is mentally healthy enough to come back. It might take some time before he could even be considered in any trade talks.
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Armchair-GM
27 févr. 2020 à 16 h 20
Sujet:
i dont get what florida is trying to do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksince71</b></div><div>That is a lousy return, but something doesn’t sit right with me. That trade feels like Carolina walking off the used car lot (sorry ... ah, previously-owned) feeling victorious, while the owner desperately want to rid himself of a lemon. For a guy who had 75 points two seasons ago, Trochek was falling down a hill. It is a gamble Carolina can take.</div></div>
I just think given the totality of the circumstances they could have gotten a better deal and addressed depth with less significant assets. But maybe I am wrong.
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Armchair-GM
25 févr. 2020 à 12 h 32
Sujet:
i dont get what florida is trying to do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>What I am saying is would you be upset if you got Pageau and Wallmark and the two prospects? Because I'm arguing that's what you got.</div></div>
And I am saying that they would have been better off getting better futures for Trocheck and paying pennies on the dollar for depth. I think it was just a lousy return for a 2C who's AAV is below market rate for 2 years. I think we're simply talking past each other. I am not disagreeing with you that the Panthers can still compete and added forward depth they needed; I am looking at the Trocheck trade in a vacuum and saying it's a lousy return. I think they would have been better off asking for only a first and Wallmark (which looking at the Canes depth at center I think they would have folded and accepted that deal) and found other ways to add cheap depth players. I think these two prospects do not really push the needle. But maybe I am wrong and these kids will play well for the Panthers.
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Armchair-GM
25 févr. 2020 à 9 h 14
Sujet:
i dont get what florida is trying to do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>By the way because you referenced him Pageau is 0.24/0.46
He may be better than Haula defensively but Haula is the better offensive player. He isn't just some throw in he would have been an excellent rental by himself.
Florida wanted to use their very good 2c to acquire a good 2c and good 3c because their centre depth stank. They did that and added two prospects.
IMHO they made their team better today (Haula/Wallmark is better than Trochek/Toninato) and acquired two long term assets for it.</div></div>
Even if we assume that is true, which could be debated, it's still a lousy return once Haula walks in the summer. I think they could have easily received a similar package for Trocheck as Pageau. Maybe Walmark, the Toronto first, and a lesser prospect? Remember Trocheck still has another two years left on his contract. Then the Panthers could have spent less valued assets for one or two rentals to help with their depth (Thornton, Simmonds, Ennis, etc.). It just seemed mishandled. Just because they are better today (which I agree with you but others may not) does not mean this was a good deal for them looking at the big picture.
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Armchair-GM
24 févr. 2020 à 23 h 50
Sujet:
i dont get what florida is trying to do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>I think the Trochek trade was great by Florida.
They turned their 2c into a slight downgrade at 2c AND added a 3c (Wallmark).
Then for giving up control (I believe 2.5 years on Trochek for 0.5 years on Haula) they added 2 solid prospects. Smart.</div></div>
I have to respectfully disagree. I think Haula is a third liner, and a good one at that (maybe a second liner on a team with little depth at best), but they have no intentions of keeping him long term. The prospects are okay, but neither look like they'll be impact players. Wallmark to me is more of a 4th liner, at best a 3C. However, given what OTT received for Pageau as a rental, the Panthers got a terrible return for Trochek, who still has 2 more years left at a cost controlled rate. Trading a cost controlled 2C with term and yielding two prospects with limited upside, and two third liners is just not a great return based on precedent, let alone what occurred today.
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24 févr. 2020 à 21 h 31
Sujet:
i dont get what florida is trying to do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLSage</b></div><div>I heard something about owners wanting to cut $10,000,000 in salary from roster.</div></div>
I think the decision to move Trochek is not necessarily the wrong one. The return they received for him, however, is almost downright inexcusable.
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Armchair-GM
24 févr. 2020 à 16 h 27
Sujet:
Rangers headed into next year realistic
Take a little off of Deangelo and Strome (maybe 5-5.25 million AAV for five years)
Need to add a lot more to Fast and Lemieux; at least 1 million AAV for each.
You can do better for Georgiev at the draft.
NYR will not be able to trade Smith unless it takes an even worse contract. Best to let him finish up next season and move on afterwards.
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Armchair-GM
24 févr. 2020 à 12 h 21
Sujet:
Dont Stop Me Now
You could do better.
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Armchair-GM
24 févr. 2020 à 9 h 50
Sujet:
PAGEAU
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Im getting nervous. WOuld love Bellows and 2nd and 3rd. 2nd becomes 1st if they reach conference finals and 3rd conditional on him re-signing</div></div>
It's expected that the return is "a lot" according to reports. Sens not getting fleeced this deadline I think Dorion has actually been solid.
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