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Forum: NHL Signings10 oct. 2020 à 15 h 27
Sujet: Edmonton Oilers signed Anton Forsberg (1 Year / $700,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Grievous</b></div><div>I was hoping for a trade with Columbus or a trade for Francouz, something like that. I didn't expect a Smith signing, but a better move than for MAF in my opinion.

Edmonton needs a reliable 3rd G, see what happened to the Avs? Skinner will be the #2 in the Bake and that is fine, goalies take forever and Skinner has more work to do.

Wells is as much of a suspect as a prospect, he will be out of the org next year and should be in the ECHL along with rookie po Rodrigue.</div></div>

Fair enough. I suppose it is too much to expect a Skinner - Wells/Rodrigues tandem in the AHL being successful. I'm sure Forsberg will keep Skinner more competitive at any rate, and ya it does provide more depth overall at the position in case of injury. Pretty much seals him as the #3 with Smith's contract. Koskinen - Smith here we go again.
Forum: NHL Signings10 oct. 2020 à 14 h 49
Sujet: Edmonton Oilers signed Anton Forsberg (1 Year / $700,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Grievous</b></div><div>This is a very under appreciated signing by Holland. I had him on my wishlist and will be the #3 tender in the org.

I see him as the type of goalie who comes out of nowhere to become a bonafide NHLer. Right age and experience, it takes most goalies eons to make it, usually in the 26 to 28 year old age range.

He will be great to have if injuries impact the NHL roster.</div></div>

So who is the #2 goalie? Look at the free agent market. There isn't really anyone left who I'd rate much higher than Forsberg. Maybe Dell? Maybe Hutchinson? Do they bring Smith back? Or bring in Miller, Schneider, Howard...? Not looking good for a solid tandem from free agency right now. Unless they have a trade in the works, I don't see Forsberg being anything less than a backup to Koskinen, which is not ideal at all. Besides, do you really want Forsberg stealing games from our three young tenders in the minors?
Forum: NHL Signings10 oct. 2020 à 14 h 26
Sujet: Edmonton Oilers signed Tyson Barrie (1 Year / $3,750,000 AAV)
I guess this means Bouchard gets another year to develop, unless injuries push him up or the Oilers add another depth right side dman. Not exactly the top 4 defender they needed, but still should help take some of the minute load off of Bear and Larsson. Left side is still questionable with Klefbom out long term, again.
Nurse - Bear
Jones? - Larsson
Russel? - Barrie
Not looking to good with those pairs, but maybe another prospect is ready to step up? Lagesson - Larsson might be a good shut down pair, but they will lack speed. Broberg is likely still another 1-2 years away, though he is off to a great start in the SHL and looked very promising in his bubble showing. Samorukov is also off to a great start in the KHL, so maybe he'll be ready to make the jump. Still too many questions on this backend, and Barrie doesn't really solve any problems accept replacing Klefbom on the pp.
Forum: NHL Trades24 févr. 2020 à 17 h 39
Forum: NHL Signings27 août 2019 à 14 h 49
Sujet: Winnipeg Jets signed Gabriel Bourque (1 Year / $700,000 AAV)
Don't agree with this as a good signing as they just gave him his career best salary when he is coming off a few years past his prime. He isn't a serious contender for a 10min+ role on any team that should call themselves a contender either. Maybe he finds a 4th line role on the Jets and/or fits in as an AHL vet presence. The reason they must be signing him though is they are desperate for a bit more capable forwards that can be used in training camp to better gauge what they have in other forwards. Borque can be used as a measuring stick: they know he is likely a 4th line at best player and can see how much better, or worse, their "? players" are against him. This signals to me that maybe Laine/Connor wont be signed before training camp and they wanted the extra player to insure they have that competition in camp.
Forum: NHL Trades21 juill. 2019 à 22 h 54
Sujet: (EDM/CGY) - Lucic (12.5% retained) & conditional 2020 3rd for Neal
I will not be jumping through 10 hoops to explain why Calgary isn't losing this trade because of money saved over the contract term, nor will I say Edmonton wins this trade hands down because of Neals past offensive production.

This is a clear "fair deal" if I've ever seen one. On one hand, Edmonton moves a player they essentially ran out of use for and gain one that might be able to jump into their top 6, and if not, they haven't really loss anything. On the other hand, Calgary also moves a forward they loss use for and gain a forward who can take his spot in the bottom 6 while adding more grit they are lacking in a veteran, and sure, saving some money. As far as cap goes though, both teams stay pretty much neutral. The conditional pick is a mute point because if Neal hits 21 goals, then it's easily worth it. So all in all, fair deal.

But I will say this: I watched many oiler games last season, Lucic simply doesn't have the speed needed to be an offensive contributor in this league anymore and tends to be too late to the play to throw useful hits. This makes me want to say Edmonton will win this, but since I didn't see much of Neal last season, I'll just keep it at fair.
Forum: NHL Signings17 juill. 2019 à 21 h 55
Sujet: Edmonton Oilers signed Josh Archibald (1 Year / $1,000,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>drewjenks</b></div><div>Edmonton ... in the most literal sense ... has exactly:

<strong>Three top-2 centers </strong>and <strong>fifteen bottom-6 wingers</strong> with nothing in between.
<strong>One top-4 defense </strong>and <strong>nine bottom-pair defense</strong> with nothing in between.
<strong>Zero starting goalies </strong>and <strong>two backup goalies</strong> with nothing in between.</div></div>

Fair enough point with the forwards, though I'd point out that at least a few of those bottom 6 guys are more better described as top 9, meaning they optimally are third line guys but can play up in the lineup if need be. They have a few young forwards who could make the move into that description or better too, but realistically they are probably a year or two away from doing that.

Your rating of their backend is simply wrong. They have three top 4 dmen in nurse, klefbom, and larsson. Russel and Benning both are capable bottom pair guys, though I wouldn't mind seeing Benning bumped down into a number 7 role if a couple of the younger dmen can step up. They have about 5 young dmen that will all be competing for two spots in that roster, so there's a good chance they end up with two solid options.

Goaltending is tough to judge. It really depends on how well the team in front of them performs. Koskinen showed he has what it takes to be a good goalie in this league, wether that be +/- 40 games will depend on how well Smith performs. This is basically a tandem setup that isn't much different from what they had last season. So again, it will depend largely on their team play in front of these guys.

As far as the team goes: the kind of players they've been brining in, along with additions from their farm system, fit nicely with their new head coaches style of coaching. He had success in Arizona with lineups that depended on the hard work of role players and everybody doing their part.

But ya, they are still missing 1-2 good forwards and 1 top 4-2 dman from being a contender. Likely won't find the forwards within this season, but may find another top 4 dman out of that bunch of young players they have. The good thing for them though is that they're division is all over the place right now and, with maybe the exception of Calgary, it's anybodies guess who'll be in the top 3 this season.
Forum: NHL Signings16 juill. 2019 à 14 h 26
Sujet: Edmonton Oilers signed Josh Archibald (1 Year / $1,000,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rebecca</b></div><div>Edmonton is finding what they can with the slim pickings off the UFA winger buffet but all the tasty stuff is long gone. He will eat some minutes and PK but he won’t solve their goal scoring minutes. 4th line player if there ever was one.

In contrast, someone like Oscar Lindberg (whose Corsi is 5% higher than Archibald over their careers) would help drive the play more. Even a veteran like Pominville or Vanek could be of more use for 1 final season.

Maybe the best fit would be the best winger not named “Williams” on the market, and that would be Patrick Maroon. He fared well in his last visit and you would think he would jump at the chance to return. Perhaps, now that it’s almost 3 aka into FA, Holland will circle back to Maroon. His term and/or ask is obviously too high, but if a compromise can be reached (say 2y at $2.5M) I would jump on that if I were the Oilers.</div></div>

Oilers need more speed in their lineup. All of those players mentioned aren't brining enough speed. They already have Lucic, Khaira, Kassian, Brodziak, and Chiasson for the "big guy that's not very fast" type of player. Don't need more even if Maroon and Lingberg would be improvements to some of the guys mentioned.
Forum: NHL Signings12 juill. 2019 à 16 h 7
Sujet: Carolina Hurricanes signed Ryan Dzingel (2 Years / $3,375,000 AAV)
As far as the Oilers missing out here, I don't think they were willing to offer more than this value or term. Dzingel would have more pressure to repeat his top 6 production with Edmonton or be a 3rd line centre playing with who knows who. In Carolina he gets a chance to provide depth scoring and less hard/forced ideas about where he will fit in their lineup, as well as the team just made playoffs whereas Edmonton did not. I'm guessing the Oilers would have had to offer 4 or more per year at the same term or more.

Why he took this long to get signed and why others were signed early at larger, longer contracts even though he put up better or similar numbers? Because of the obvious drop in production after being traded and playoffs, but also something a bit less obvious. Yes he did well in Ottawa, but in what role? Was he getting top pp time and top 6 minutes playing with Stone, Duchene and/or Thachuk? Teams signing him now have to consider where he will fit in their lineup; do they have a spot where he'll get that kind of support to pump his numbers? Can he drop into a bottom 6 role with maybe 2nd pp duties and still be useful to a winning team? Also, the value for a 50pt player on a bad team is far less than the value for a 50pt player on a good team.
Forum: NHL Trades10 juill. 2019 à 18 h 26
Sujet: (BUF/CHI) - Nylander for Jokiharju
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bflo_Soldier</b></div><div>The irony of these two statements made within the same reply is hilarious.

You used stats regarding age and NHL games played to try to rebut my statement, even though Olofsson thoroughly outperformed Nylander all year at every level, and then went on to critique someone else for looking at the numbers rather than performance when your analysis makes it obvious you yourself hadn't watched them play.</div></div>

Two extra years of development time is far more concrete to use as a guide than just comparing basic stats. The nhl games played is merely showing that your claim he "beat out" nylander isn't entirely justified considering the Sabres played him less. It isn't equivalent to looking at their gp g a pts especially at the AHL level and trying to claim one of them will be better than the other. You are a fool to assume anything can be predicted about these players at this stage.
Forum: NHL Trades10 juill. 2019 à 12 h 25
Sujet: (BUF/CHI) - Nylander for Jokiharju
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bflo_Soldier</b></div><div>As a Sabres fan I can tell you: Nylander is not ready for a breakout year. The Sabres were not flush with skilled wingers blocking his path. Victor Olofsson beat him out.</div></div>
A 23 year old beat out a 21 year old? (6 gms vs 12 gms doesn't really win your case)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rangersandislesfan</b></div><div>Nylander may never be a full-time NHLer. Hard to predict with him. But looking at it now, i don't see what got Chicago to do this.</div></div>
And what makes you such an expert on him? Did you watch all his games these past few years? Just going off stats? I remember when hockey experts like yourself claimed Rantanen was never going to break out either, but turns out your all just playing a guessing game with little to no actual hard evidence to back your claims.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I don't in my wildest imagination foresee Alexander Nylander scoring 70 points in ANY season, let alone the next one. I just foresee him being the same kind of jerk as his brother, which is yet another reason why this trade makes no sense from Chicago's perspective. Why buy into this family and set of "advisors"?</div></div>
Pretty unfair to judge him by what imagined negatives you have for his brother.