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Forum: Armchair-GM3 juin 2021 à 17 h 58
Sujet: Carter
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Lindholm isn't worth the ninth overall selection as a rental and if we do trade him, it won't be for a goalie prospect essentially no better than Dostal or Durny; it will be for help at RW or RD.

Nugent-Hopkins contract is, as The_Rocket says, much too high.

Rakell is worth more and we won't be trading for rentals because we're nowhere near contending for a playoff slot, let alone a second-round appearance.</div></div>

Agree about Lindholm but disagree on your other two points. 7.5 for Nugent-Hopkins is totally what I'd expect he'll go for, though a number I don't think persuades him to come to Anaheim. That's less money and term than what Matt Duchene got and they have identical production. 7.5 is just a 25% increase in his salary.

How is Ricky worth more than 16-17th overall? He has one year left (albeit with a great cap hit) isn't even a PPG player. I'm not dying to move Ricky nor but futures but if draft picks were the goal, St. Louis's pick is great value. Unless he goes off next year, I highly doubt we'd be able to get even that much come the deadline.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 mai 2021 à 14 h 28
Sujet: hmmm
I actually think this is the direction we should take this summer. I don't think we will but I say actually try to add some effing talent with the cap space we can accumulate. I wouldn't move Cam, I'd rather try to move Silvy to free up that money. But Murph can free up some cap space I say absolutely go after guys like Hall and Landeskog (I prefer Nugent-Hopkins for that center spot). Comtois-Zegras-Terry should make a great second line next year. Hall-RNH-Rakell could be a killer first line. I want to believe we can fashion a quality third line out of Volkov, Steel, Lundestrom, Jones and a healthy Milano but that's a big ask. Grant and De-lo are as dependable fourth-liners as you can ask for, though I'm sure the pre-adolescents around here will disagree. Honestly, what harm is there in subtracting Rico, Silvy and potentially Shatty and replacing them with quality free agents? That wouldn't change anything about building for the future since whatever kids we're going to pick up won't be ready until these players' contract are at least halfway towards competition.

But as others have pointed out this won't happen because free agents don't sign here. This this assumption that Murray simply doesn't go after free agents but there's no way that's true. The probable truth is free agents simply don't want to come here. Be it the high state taxes, the relatively non-existent fanbase, the cost of living in Orange County, the state of the team itself, the crappy ice at Honda Center, who knows? But they don't, that's for sure. I'd love for the Samueli's to give Bob the green light to overpay to get them, especially if it's on shorter terms. I'm not holding my breath though.
Forum: Armchair-GM14 mai 2021 à 14 h 41
Sujet: Rebuild
The only way we ever trade John Gibson is if Lukas Dostal proves he's so good that he can replace him and not a moment sooner. No rebuild is even worth it if we don't have a foundational goalie to build around. Also, we'd never get that kind of return. Teams simply don't trade elite starters nor do they mortgage so much for a goalie.

Also, when has a full-blown rebuild ever worked? Can anyone point to recent Stanley Cup champions and say they got there because they blew it all up once and built a winner from the ashes? If anything most Cup teams have had generation talent selected with the first or second pick (Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Kane, Toews, Hedman, Stamkos, Doughty) and they got those players from being really bad for one season and getting lucky. We've been awful for three straight seasons and are about to draft another stud to go along with our last two so maybe we should focus on cutting the dead weight and letting our good players help turn this thing around.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 mai 2021 à 13 h 17
Sujet: Next years line-up
We are absolutely not losing Manson to Seattle for nothing. Even if Murph values Fleury enough to protect him over Mans, he's not going to lose him for nothing. I'm in the camp that he should be traded beforehand if he'd otherwise be exposed. Fleury is whatever and we got him for basically nothing so they could go either way with me. Mans drives me crazy but he still has value; not sure that value isn't best maximized at next year's deadline but that's a decision Murph has to make. Also, we may need to look into moving Lindholm this summer. If he doesn't sign a contract extension then we need to maximize value with him too. Again, at the deadline might be most prudent unless Murph thinks he can make this team competitive next year which seems foolhardy.

And we absolutely have to cut bait on Steel or Lundestrom. We don't need both. I've seen all I need to see out of Steel to know he peaks as a decent third-line center. Which is fine but the same is true for Lundy as well. I would like to see Murph package one of them and Jones to get a quality d-man, especially if we have to move on from Manson. We stockpiled a lot of young players who aren't panning out and it's time to turn them into assets that are worthy of where we drafted these guys.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 avr. 2021 à 17 h 44
Sujet: Give me all the hate
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jah1722</b></div><div>You really just want to keep everyone and hope the team magically becomes good don’t you?</div></div>

Not even remotely. Gibby, Zegras, and Drysdale are the only players I wouldn't consider moving. This team sucks. Bad. Big changes need to be made. These are just lateral moves.

One of Rico/Silvy has to go. Among Terry, Comtois, Steel, Jones, Larsson, Lundestrom and Volkov, we need like three of them. I would like to see several of these guys packaged into a quality vet or two. Ricky and Mans are highly sought-after players and returns for them should reflect that. We don't need to trade either of them so if we do it better be for better players or lots of futures. What you're suggesting gives us neither.

Bottom line is either should be turning our young assets into vets who can actually make this team better or just absolutely tear this team down and do a proper rebuild.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 avr. 2021 à 12 h 5
Sujet: Rebuilding
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jah1722</b></div><div>They’re rebuilding. Stralman isn’t brought in as the final piece to a Stanley cup contender. I have no idea how you think turning Manson, Steel and a 3rd into Lindblom and a 1st plus whatever Stralman brings at the TDL half retained is bad.

Derek Grant this season has been one of the worst players in the league. Backes has actually been okay. I’m sorry that the Elite1C is no longer but he’s bad. Your so caught up on Backes like it actually matters who the 4C is as long as Grant is in the press box it’s probly an upgrade.</div></div>

Okay? Backes has only played 13 games because he's not good enough to be a regular on THIS TEAM. My god, the Bruins couldn't give him away. They had to add a first round pick for us to take him off their hands they wanted him gone so badly. (unless you think they really valued Kase that much) He was a cap dump to get assets and I'm fine with that. But why would we bring him back in favor of Grant when we could do that right now? Backes is currently on the taxi squad and Grant is in the lineup. How does that make sense? And yeah, we're talking about fourth line centers here. Grant doesn't light the world on fire but he's good at what he does, and clearly the coaching staff thinks that way too. It's just that Backes is way past his expiration date. The funniest part is this all completely moot because Backes has probably played his last hockey game of his career or at least he will if they bring him up for one last hurrah. But no, he's been awful save for a couple of games where he was alright. Again, taxi squad. All season. For a reason. On one of the worst teams in the league.

But back to the argument at hand, those moves simply don't make us better. Manson is better than Stralman. Steel and Lindbolm are basically the same, maybe even a downgrade considering Steel plays a more important position, is cheaper and a little bit younger. A late first is marginally better than a third round pick. We don't save any money and we only net a slightly better pick. How does that help us rebuild?
Forum: Armchair-GM20 avr. 2021 à 19 h 51
Sujet: Rebuilding
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jah1722</b></div><div>Nothing you said here makes much sense.

Lindblom, Stralman and a 1st is better than Steel and Manson.

You obviously didn’t read.</div></div>

Stralman is older, produces about the same, and is more expensive than Manson. Same with Lindbolm (though he's young enough that his age doesn't matter). Florida has the fourth-best record so that pick may not be anymore valuable than a second rounder and we're giving up a third in this scenario. How in the world does any of that much us better? Again, I'm not at all opposed to moving Manson and Steel, but this collective return is a lateral move at best and counter-productive at worst.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>Grant is the worst player on the team. Backes has been a significant upgrade to him.</div>

....

I've been a Ducks fan for their entire existence and have spent WAAAAAY too much time discussing this team with strangers on the internet for the last 18 years, but this is hands-down the wildest take on two players on this team I've ever encountered. Backes had a couple of games where he looked okay but otherwise has very much earned the regular spot on the taxi squad. Grant is as solid a fourth-line center as you can ask for, despite the slow start to the season for him. I'm legitimately flabbergasted by this take. There's not a chance Backes is re-signed. Not. A. Chance.
Forum: Armchair-GM20 avr. 2021 à 16 h 5
Sujet: Rebuilding
Are we really netting anything positive from the Manson and Steel moves? Stralman is downgrade from Manson, in my opinion, especially factoring Stralman's age and contract. Yeah a first is nice but it'll be a late first and we have a pretty crappy track record with those as of late. I'm totally open to moving Steel, I think it's time cut bait on this kid, but we're essentially replacing him with Lindbolm and that's a pretty lateral move production-wise.

Like the Silvy trade, not sure Dallas would though. But I'd pull that trigger for sure.

Curious to see what your protection list looks like with Seattle taking Mahura. Not sure they pass on Fleury if he's available. But then again, who knows. There were a ton of surprises with Vegas four years ago.

Oh and Backes?! We already have Grant. I mean, I'd rather bring back 45 year-old Jason Krog to be our fourth-line center than have Backes come back.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 avr. 2021 à 15 h 38
Sujet: Anaheim Ducks Offseason
I don't think we need to move Manson before, especially if we're retaining salary and only getting a minor-leaguer and a second for him. We don't need to protect Fleury, he has little value and was acquired for basically nothing so losing him is no big deal. We're not desperate to move Manson. If Murph doesn't at least get a first for him he should hang on.

Heinen sucks. Sure he chips in once in a while but he is a passenger most nights and was a regular scratch on a terrible team. I think Murph should withhold giving him a QO and cut his losses. At the very least we shouldn't be worried about him getting claimed. Murph is in a great position to protect the few guys that are worth not losing for nothing and might even dangle a guy like Shattenkirk or Silfverberg for Francis to bite on. I feel like he'll take someone like Larsson to avoid taking on a bad contract (though Shatty's deal isn't bad).

But it would be unconscionable to not move some of our fringe young players and bring in guys who can actually improve this team, especially with all of that cap space. It is time to cut bait on Steel for sure and maybe even Jones. Larsson can be shot to the moon for all I care. We might need to seriously consider moving Rakell and maybe even Lindholm since their deals are up next summer. But just moving on from some vets is not going to cut it. This is basically our team now and this team sucks.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 avr. 2021 à 18 h 42
Sujet: DUCKS FANS OPINIONS PLS
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Your 7-3-1 makes the most sense, but since when are we using that standard now that we've seen this abominably short-sighted trade?

There's a rumor that Murray might be stupid enough to expose Fowler on the theory that Seattle might balk at taking on his contract, but I don't think even he's that dumb. So I guess we'll expose the guy we traded our biggest blue-line hitter for, thereby running the risk of seeing him play fewer than 14 games for us.

Or maybe Murray's "master plan" is to trade Hampus Lindholm before the expansion draft and hope that Fleury will flower (pun intended) into his replacement. George The Shrub Bush had a term for this: "turd blossom." I can't see it working.

Shea Theodore, Marcus Pettersson, Christian Djoos, now Jani Hakanpaa . . . all errors of entirely different degrees, to be sure, but emblematic of an inability to properly analyze defensive futures.</div></div>

Hakanpaa is a pending free agent, who says he wants to come back here? And who's to say he won't come back in the summer? Either he intends to sign elsewhere anyway so might as well get something for him. Or he wants to sign here in which case you have to wait until after (I was gonna say July 1st but I have no idea when free agency is supposed to start this summer) anyway because re-signing him now would be dumb because of the expansion draft. I mean I guess you run the risk of him really liking it in Carolina. I like Hawk, a lot, but he's not special. It would be nice if he re-signs in the summer no big deal if he doesn't.

Murray has made a lot of bad moves (he's never going to live down Theodore to Vegas; though to be fair, Shea absolutely transformed after that trade) but this certainly not one of them.
Forum: Armchair-GM26 mars 2021 à 13 h 56
Sujet: Actually retooling
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jah1722</b></div><div>Not a lot of teams have cap space especially contenders so retaining on Rakell might have to happen. But if he’s not retained on then it would allow ANA to retain on Manson and move him for a decent package. Getzlaf’s contract is perfectly fine. 1 yr deals that slowly go down in cap hit.</div></div>

Ricky makes less than 4 mil and is capable of 30 goals (though I'm starting to believe those two years were flukes). I can't imagine there isn't a team that would be willing to take on his contract in full. As for Getzy, it's not so much about squeezing him in but him being worth it. If we're going to be investing a decent amount for a center, I'd prefer it be for someone who actually gives a damn about winning and losing. It's time for this team to move on. I hope Getzy just retires.
Forum: Armchair-GM25 janv. 2021 à 12 h 26
Sujet: Manson out 6 weeks and we didnt claim Honka
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Swedenheim</b></div><div>I agree Cam has rounded out his game, however I think we would see him be a lot better if we had given him a bit more time before the show</div></div>

How so? What about Cam's game is lacking and how can you possibly attributed that to him playing as a teenager? It's not like hockey players learn how to play hockey at this level. They acquire their skills as children. Maturing at this level is about physical potential, confidence and mental proficiency. None of those things have afflicted Cam. It took him a bit to master those things (relative to his skill level) but he got there. It's not that year prevented him from becoming a Hall of Famer or anything. Keep in mind his best season statistically was his rookie year and he earned that spot. It wasn't like he was shoehorned into the lineup to show off a shiny new toy, he was our best d-man that fall (which says more about our squad at the time more than anything).
Forum: Armchair-GM22 janv. 2021 à 14 h 29
Sujet: Manson out 6 weeks and we didnt claim Honka
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Swedenheim</b></div><div>No chance to call up Drysdale, because as you said, he could end up like Fowler, playing Fowler the way we did that first year stunted his development almost entirely</div></div>

That's nonsense. Playing a kid too early runs the risk of a few things: Him getting hurt because he wasn't physically mature, him losing his confidence and never getting it back, or trading him away too early based on his early struggles. None of that happened with Cam. He rounded his game out and he's still on our a team and he's still our best d-man (I said what I said). I'm not suggesting Drysdale be necessarily thrown to the wolves right now but using Cam as a cautionary tale is absolutely BS. He proved he was ready to play right away and that was justified considering how he has matured since then.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 janv. 2021 à 15 h 36
Sujet: Is a Honka claim worth it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div>I can’t see him getting past us in the waiver order tbh, Manson is looking like he’s gonna miss some time so Honka can plug in for the time being</div></div>

But then what do you do with him once Manson is back? And what about Guhle? That's minor league players are for.

I understand this is moot considering Honka cleared (and can we put him coming to us to bed forever now?) but this sort of thing always pops up. "So and so is hurt, let's claim X). These guys don't stay hurt. I've always hated the notion of panic-claiming a player because of injury. We have plenty of bottom-pairing guys, any waiver-worth d-man isn't going to replace what Manson brings nor is any better than what we already have. Also, we're out of contracts. We literally can't claim anybody. If we want to bring someone in, it'll have to be via trade.
Forum: Armchair-GM14 janv. 2021 à 16 h 35
Sujet: Lines for tonight based on camp
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>Man...I'd prefer Comtois in the lineup over Lundestrom. I'm hoping for big things from Hakanpaa as a shutdown RD though. Realistically, the D doesn't look *That* bad <strong>if they play to their potential</strong>.</div></div>

I feel like that's the theme for the entire team. This team SHOULD be competitive if they play to their potential. But this was also the main theme prior to last season. One way or the other I think we're going to find out if this really is a bad team and one that has been in progress this whole time.

And agree about Comtois. I have not impressed with Lundestrom's offensive game so I'm hoping the coaches are seeing something in him right now that we haven't the last couple of years. Considering Comtois has produced quite well in his limited action, I'm surprised this is how things have shaken out so far. We'll see I guess.