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Forum:
Armchair-GM
23 janv. 2020 à 16 h 3
Sujet:
The Big Buf conundrum
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>masterjuddi</b></div><div>For next year for sure, but what about this year? just ride it out?</div></div>
I think if you're saying absolutely anything about this year, it needs to be predicated on whether you actually think the Jets are serious contenders.
And the answer is no. Pionk, Poolman, and Morrissey are the only defensemen who belong in the NHL, and Poolman is not a top pairing defenseman. Niku does too in that he deserves and probably needs the experience to grow, but his play is not significantly affecting the Jets' defensive prowess.
Riding it out is far and away the best option. Laine, Roslovic, Poolman, Pionk have all made strides this season.
Next season Kulikov is off the books. Give Laine a 4M raise and sign him long term, trim the fat off of the roster and use the money to extend the other kids. Wait for Buff to make a decision about his future and then go sign a UFA if Buff leaves.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
17 janv. 2020 à 11 h 5
Sujet:
The Big Buf conundrum
With 7.6 mill in cap space it just makes more sense to look at UFA's. I'd rather keep my picks and prospects.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
28 déc. 2019 à 13 h 57
Sujet:
does this make sense- big offseason
Ok, there was a lot of really flimsy to downright bad arguments here, so I'm going to go through this one at a time.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>The St. Louis Blues just won a cup with 35 year old Alexander Steen playing LW on their 4th line and he makes more then Little does, even if Little is 3/4 as good as he is now he'll be better then big and slow Lowry dragging down his linemates, funny enough 3/4 of Bryan Little now is regualar 3rd line production, something Lowry has NEVER accomplished... ?</div></div>
Using an individual example as proof of contrary is just lazy rhetoric. Firstly, Alexander Steen is foremost a liability to his team with his cap hit. If you think that St Louis doesn't regret that extension, you're off. Winning the cup with an anchor is impressive, and, given how hit-and-miss professional contracts are, the Jets at some point will probably need to win with an anchor. That being said, the Blues won in spite of Steen, not because of him. For every success story of an albatross contract out there, there is twice as many if not more, horror stories.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>But hey keep clinging to your fancy stat nonsense that tells you how good and important Lowry is, a guy who can't break the 30 point mark with 14+ minutes of ice time is a 4th line player plain and simple, tough for you and the analytics believers to accept but it's a very true fact. </div></div>
"A very true fact." Well no, actually it isn't. Fancy stats is just a quantitative measure of chances on the ice vs the chances you give up on the ice. It's no different from +/- except now we also count shots, misses, and blocks. It gives you an imperfect, but largely accurate measure of where the puck is spending it's time when a player is out on the ice. It's kind of universally agreed that +/- is a stupid stat because of how goalie dependent it is. Corsi is just an improvement to increase the sample size and do what +/- is supposed to measure, but better. If you think that corsi (shots+misses+blocks) is a little too general, feel free to just look at fenwick (shots + misses), shots (self explanatory), or high danger chances (shots from the slot and crease). The big knock on Corsi is that different stat counting sites can have different definitions of a chance, miss, or high danger chance. But the point isn't to be perfect it's just to give a trend to whose zone players spend their time on the ice.
You very clearly are not an NHL coach or executive, so your subjective opinion of how Lowry or any hockey player plays has about as much credibility as my subjective opinion. But anyone with internet can look up a player's on-ice statistics. When Lowry is on the ice the Jets generate a better ratio of offense for to offense generated against. That is what a true fact actually looks like. Lowry also does it playing on a much cheaper line. (Averaging about 6-8) million while Little does less with more (8-16million.) That is also what a true fact looks like.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>You do realize Lowry isn't even on pace for 20 points this season yeah?? He's just producing what he's capable of, 4th line player production and nothing more. </div></div>
I'm not too worried about that. Lowry's healthy, is playing with an AHL cast, and that's pretty much the story of his season. As I said before, I'm more interested in the ratio of offense generated for to offense generated against. I don't care whether we win games 3-1, 5-3, or 2-1. If we spend more time in their zone then they spend in our we can afford to not score goals at will. Scoring is also largely shooting percentage based, which anyone with a hockey background can tell you is highly variable. I'll take Lowry because of how sustainable his game is. If Lowry doesn't have a great year, c'est la vie. Slump years happen, and playing with Gabriel Bourque and Marc Letestu to start the year off is a valid excuse.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Even a 32-34 year old Bryan Little will have enough offensive skill to not completely drag down a 3rd line like Lowry has ALWAYS done, obviously it depends on how Little recovers from his injury but if Little can't contribute at a decent clip he'll likely retire I'm guessing. </div></div>
This is largely incorrect, given that if you define dragging down as the residual between a player on the ice with Lowry and without Lowry with respect to the ratio of offense generated to offense generated against, Lowry improves his line mates and the defensive pairings he plays with. I've beat that dead horse enough already so let's talk about Little.
Little is great. He is a really possession driving role player in the same way the Lowry is, and he really had his reputation as a defensive forward thrashed by 2018-2019 Laine. He also generates excellent bottom 6 offense. That being said, he doesn't produce at clip that would justify giving him opportunities in the top 6, has missed significant playing time in the last 5 years, and is making 5.3 million dollars from the next 4+ years. Not a lot of bad to actually say about his game, but the durability, and contract are huge. You think Little would retire if his production dipped? Why? Because of all the other veteran NHL players that have retired when their production dipped? Little has obligations to his family to make as much money as he can, there is zero reason to assume he would not accept playing as a shadow of himself for 5.4 million dollars.
You mentioned that you think PoMo needs to go. Absolutely. But that has more to do with Roslovic's mismanagement last year, and Niku's mismanagement last year and this year.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
27 déc. 2019 à 14 h 30
Sujet:
does this make sense- big offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Bryan Little is a good player, Adam Lowry is an easily replaceable 4th liner at best, the sooner Lowry is gone the sooner the Jets can actually resemble a true contender.</div></div>
2 Years from now? Are you kidding me?
Bryan Little, right now, is a middle 6 forward who is 32 years old, is on the wrong side of his production vs age curve, has missed significant time in the last 5 years due to injuries, and is signed to a multi year 5+M extension. Lowry is younger, holding relatively steady in production, no major injuries, and isn't signed to a multi-year 5+M extension.
The defining factor in this comparison should be the extension. You are going to be paying 35 year old Bryan Little over 5 million dollars. I don't care how overrated you think Lowry is, paying 28 year old Adam Lowry in the 2.5-3.5 million dollar range is soooooo much better than the former.
This isn't even a close comparison.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
23 déc. 2019 à 20 h 29
Sujet:
does this make sense- big offseason
Expansion draft isn't for another year after this. Lowry will be a UFA then. Hopefully we make it through the expansion (and we won't have to protect him to resign him) and then resign him to what he's making right now. Accounting for inflation, it's a pretty fair offer for a high end bottom 6 forward who showed top 6 potential in 2016-2017 and then didn't hit the high end of that potential.
I will bet money that if any of the Jets do get picked ( Chevy just give Seattle a 1st or 2nd to keep all players) it will be Bryan Little.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 déc. 2019 à 20 h 24
Sujet:
Anderson to the jets
I don't mind that trade, but I'd go down a peg. A 2nd and 3rd round pick is a pretty steep price for a bottom 6 player.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
20 nov. 2019 à 19 h 5
Sujet:
Thoughts On Mike Babcock
ACGM: Babcock is not a bad coach.
Also ACGM: Proceeds to give explanation of how Babcock is an outdated coach still living in the 90's and is thereby a bad coach.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
5 nov. 2019 à 20 h 37
Sujet:
Forecasting the Future
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TrueNorth</b></div><div>You have a good point. Maybe the team is better off exposing him to expansion and keeping Little as 3C and the 2nd rounder.</div></div>
No. Lowry, even at his absolute floor, Lowry is still a good possession player, and a passable bottom 6 player. For their usage I would rather pay a middle of the pack bottom 6 player 3Mill than an elite bottom 6 forward 5.5mill.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
4 nov. 2019 à 12 h 23
Sujet:
Forecasting the Future
I'd switch the cap hit on Lowry and MP85. Otherwise, I like it.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
31 oct. 2019 à 14 h 27
Sujet:
Goodbye Heinola
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>STLBlues17</b></div><div>Still slides in the AHL</div></div>
In that case, go Moose.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
31 oct. 2019 à 14 h 24
Sujet:
Goodbye Heinola
Absolutely not. If he's not playing with the Jets he's going to Finland for that sweet, sweet ELC slide.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
30 oct. 2019 à 22 h 8
Sujet:
New Buff News
Why didn't he report to camp?
Probably felt like he didn't need the training camp cheques, and just wanted a long overdue vacation from hockey. As long as the front office is in the loop, I have zero problem with any of this.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
28 oct. 2019 à 13 h 23
Sujet:
Bring the boys home
I'd rather bring Chris Tanev home if we're looking for stay at home 2nd pairing RHD's.
Just because he's cheaper, his brother and him both like it here, and he played his AHL years in Winnipeg.
I'm not too sold on paying a 3LD 3.7 million dollars. Especially if Samberg turns into what people are projecting him to be.
But really, I think the guys you really would want to take a good long look at are Demelo from Ottawa and Gustafsson from Chicago.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
23 oct. 2019 à 22 h 45
Sujet:
murphy is too injury prone
I'd do that trade, but make it a conditional 2021 1st/2nd. Lottery protected for 1 year and conditional on Murphy having a healthy season.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
23 oct. 2019 à 0 h 13
Sujet:
ESL is back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>toque</b></div><div>Terrible performance tonight but I liked the line blender a lot. For all the stick he gets Maurice called out the Scheif/Wheeler/Laine for not producing the last few games and he finally pulled the trigger and broke 55/26 up. Looking forward to seeing these lines for a full 60</div></div>
He got stick because it took him a year to do it.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
21 oct. 2019 à 14 h 36
Sujet:
Contenders
Lowry will be a UFA. We don't need to protect him, and Seattle won't pick him. I'd be very surprised if Seattle doesn't pick Bryan Little.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 oct. 2019 à 22 h 10
Sujet:
The High Spending Route
Hamonic is a waste on the 3rd pairing and Pionk is capable in the top 4. That means you're essentially paying 4mill for about 15 minutes of ice time for a defenseman, which is terrible. I like Barrie, and I like Hamonic significantly less, but I will resign myself to being happy if we sign him. I will be very unhappy if we sign both.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
16 oct. 2019 à 22 h 8
Sujet:
TVR Sign-and-Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockyluv21</b></div><div>TVR is only on the 3rd pair because of being on the #1 defense in the league. He's one of the best defensemen in terms of Goals Above Replacement. Note that the Canes currently have Pesce, Gardiner, Slavin, and TVR on the same blueline roaming this list. Link: <a href="https://twitter.com/EvolvingWild/status/1164640085566021639" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/EvolvingWild/status/1164640085566021639</a></div></div>
Evolving Wild also listed McDavid as one of the worst defenders in the league. TVR is a plug.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 oct. 2019 à 23 h 48
Sujet:
Who will we target next offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Spleenmaster1002</b></div><div>I think if we could sign Barrie that would be fantastic, the true PP QB we need after Buff is gone. Morrissey is great, but him being LHD is a problem, he can't get the puck to Laine quick enough. Trouble will be convincing Barrie to come to Winnipeg, I know we wouldn't have too much trouble convincing Hamonic since hes from Winnipeg.</div></div>
To date, it seems like money has been the issue much more than the lure of Winnipeg. For the record, Statsny waived a NTC to come to Winnipeg and it seems like lately a lot of players have not had Winnipeg in their no trade lists. If Barrie can't come, I'd rather target Tanev than Hamonic, just cause I think Tanev will be cheaper and in less demand. Both guys give pretty similar products on the ice.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 oct. 2019 à 23 h 43
Sujet:
Buff more likely to be back than not
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bunzy1034</b></div><div>I will not be satisfied until the absolute ? known as Bitetto is in the ECHL</div></div>
You spelled Norris candidate wrong.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 oct. 2019 à 23 h 43
Sujet:
Who will we target next offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jamiepo</b></div><div>Disagree about hamonic. Barrie isn’t going to help keep the puck out of your net.</div></div>
Hamonic has below team-average possession stats on every team he's played for. Keeping the puck out of your net is easier when you're playing your minutes in the other team's zone.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
15 oct. 2019 à 23 h 8
Sujet:
Who will we target next offseason
Extend Laine, and try for Barrie, I really don't love Hamonic, his relative on-ice stats aren't particularly impressive for the price tag he'll get.
I'd even kick the tires on Pulock and consider offer sheeting him. That last one won't happen, but damn I wish it did.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 oct. 2019 à 0 h 32
Sujet:
Defensive personnel decisions have been baffling
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>3.5x6... don't doubt the stupidity of GMJR...</div></div>
:flushed Mother of God
Forum:
Armchair-GM
14 oct. 2019 à 0 h 11
Sujet:
Defensive personnel decisions have been baffling
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Not sure what Laine has to do with anything.
Yes I know Armia is a good middle 6 winger, might be the best 3rd line RW in the league.</div></div>
Fit matters. Laine is a prime example with the centers he's played with. Perreault and Armia made some magic together hauling around the corpse of Matt Hendricks but you're acting like it's an accomplishment that one of the top possession players and a middle 6 winger took a fringe NHLer and ate other 4th lines for breakfast.
As for top 3RW in the game, I think you may have a slight bias there. I'll hold off on giving Armia the title until he manages a full season. I would have loved to keep Armia as a jet and it's ridiculous that we traded him to get rid of a guy on an expiring contract, when we probably could have at least shipped out Kulikov, but Armia was the 3rd, 4th, or 5th best player in the bottom 6 in 2017 depending on if you count Little, as a bottom 6 player when Statsny arrived, and how much you read into Roslovic scoring at a rate of 2.3 P/60 in his rookie year which was 2nd on the Jets in limited sample size.
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Armchair-GM
13 oct. 2019 à 23 h 55
Sujet:
Defensive personnel decisions have been baffling
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Armia definitely made that line go, it certainly wasn't Lowry. Remember when Perreault and Armia were making Hendricks productive, that's what having good wingers can do for an average center... Lol</div></div>
Different people, make different people go.. Case in point, Patrik Laine. You seem to have a selective memory. Armia was good, but he was a good middle 6 winger, who was flexible through the lineup, and definitely brought some value defensively. Lowry for his ice time was one of the top 3 most dominant Jets in the year they made that run.
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